I don't remember Miki's 3S+3Lo in competition... when?Originally Posted by FlattFan
I don't remember Miki's 3S+3Lo in competition... when?
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u15HCptYOws#t=01m45s
She clearly did it here, thought it was ruled as a 3S-2L for some reason.
Was that at the beginning of IJS, before they introduced the < symbol and just called downgraded triples as doubles?
Skate America 2004, so yes, at the very beginning.
So, here's the correct list:
6 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Polina Shelepen (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo)
5 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Miki Ando (3T+3T, 3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3Lo)
4 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Surya Bonaly (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Elena Radionova (3Lz+3T, 3Lo+3T, 3S+3T and, according to AlexRus, 3T+3T); Shizuka Arakawa (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 3S+3Lo)
3 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Midori Ito (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3A+3T (maybe 3Lo+3Lo, if you remember when please post the link)); Irina Slutskaya (3S+3Lo, 3T+3T, 3lz+3Lo); Adelina Sotnikova (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo); Carolina Kostner (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Yu-Na Kim (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Sarah Hughes (3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3Lo+3Lo).
Maybe because although it is called half loop, it is still one rotation jump? (doing half loop is harder than doing single loop.)
You forgot Mao!
Actually, Mao landed only 2 triple-triple combinations at international competitions. Both for example at 2008 worlds: triple flip-triple loop and triple flip-triple toeloop. She landed triple flip-triple loop-triple toeloop at 2002 nationals but the loop in the cop era would be probably under-rotated and toeloop definitely downgraded. The combination is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyU1Baaaeg&t=1m23s . Let's remember she's one of two women that performed 3 axel - 2 toe, which is also an accomplishment but still, technicaly it's not a triple-triple. So if we count national competitions, Mao can be added to the list
Adelina also did 3s-3Lo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_327e4ktyQ
Yes, Mao landed just two different 3-3s and my list is about different 3-3s so the 3F+3T+3Lo is technically not a different 3-3 because I'm just considering the two-jumps combos for my list.
Thank you, again!
3Toe-half loop-3Sal is objectively just as difficult (if not more difficult) than a 3Toe-3Toe. It is definitely a combination as well, my dear. These things do come down to skater preference, though.And, yes, I didn't count the 3-jumps combos because (for me, at least, as a skater) they are easier than "real" combos so they are not really 3-3 combinations but 3-3 sequences (now counted as combos, I know) and the list would have been too long!
Since you find combinations with half loop + 3Sal on the back end to be "easy and not combinations at all", have you ever managed to do a Triple jump + half loop + 3Flip? I'm guessing probably not. It is a very difficult combination.
Agreed on the difficulty of 1/2 loop+anything. The 1/2 loop is a tricky beast because the tendency is to let the checking shoulder start to release which makes it super-easy to pop or not even be able to leave the ice on the follow on jump. It should NEVER have been considered a sequence to begin with as (other than the ISU arbitrarily considering it an unlisted jump element) it meets the definition of combo as there is no change of foot/edge between the landing of one and the take off of the other.
From a difficulty standpoint, very few skaters have done 1/2 loop+jump combos:
3A+1/2 loop+flip: Plushenko
3F/3T/3Lz+1/2loop+sal: Gold, Chan, Rochette, Aaron
And 1/2 loop+3Lo Sequence:
Aaron
Are there videos of Polina's Triple Triples?
Specifically the Flip-Loop and Lutz-Loop?
We have posted a link to Polina's Flip-Loop earlier in this thread, and she attempted Lutz-Loop earlier this season, at SC (where it was << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBllbnRZC0 ) and I've seen it in another video and it was better, but I don't remember where...
Polina lands 3f-3t-2lo here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Qb7ARRB1A, it was way back in 2008 when she was so tiny, but still, pretty impressive. I think she may have landed 3lz-3lo (no clue about ratification) at one of the Russian test skates this fall, but I can't seem to find the video on youtube...
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