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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    I'm surprised Miki's not yet mentioned. She's THE jumper.
    3T-3T
    3T-3Loop
    3Sal-3Loop
    3F-3Loop
    3Lz-3Loop
    I don't remember Miki's 3S+3Lo in competition... when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    I don't remember Miki's 3S+3Lo in competition... when?
    Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u15HCptYOws#t=01m45s

    She clearly did it here, thought it was ruled as a 3S-2L for some reason.

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    Was that at the beginning of IJS, before they introduced the < symbol and just called downgraded triples as doubles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Was that at the beginning of IJS, before they introduced the < symbol and just called downgraded triples as doubles?
    Skate America 2004, so yes, at the very beginning.

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    So, here's the correct list:
    6 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Polina Shelepen (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo)
    5 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Miki Ando (3T+3T, 3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3Lo)
    4 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Surya Bonaly (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Elena Radionova (3Lz+3T, 3Lo+3T, 3S+3T and, according to AlexRus, 3T+3T); Shizuka Arakawa (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 3S+3Lo)
    3 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Midori Ito (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3A+3T (maybe 3Lo+3Lo, if you remember when please post the link)); Irina Slutskaya (3S+3Lo, 3T+3T, 3lz+3Lo); Adelina Sotnikova (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo); Carolina Kostner (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Yu-Na Kim (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Sarah Hughes (3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3Lo+3Lo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Yep. But for some reason, they just count it as a 1Lo on the protocol sheets. Anyone know why?
    Maybe because although it is called half loop, it is still one rotation jump? (doing half loop is harder than doing single loop.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    So, here's the correct list:
    6 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Polina Shelepen (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo)
    5 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Miki Ando (3T+3T, 3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3F+3Lo, 3Lz+3Lo)
    4 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Surya Bonaly (3T+3T, 3S+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Elena Radionova (3Lz+3T, 3Lo+3T, 3S+3T and, according to AlexRus, 3T+3T); Shizuka Arakawa (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 3S+3Lo)
    3 DIFFERENT 3-3s: Midori Ito (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3A+3T (maybe 3Lo+3Lo, if you remember when please post the link)); Irina Slutskaya (3S+3Lo, 3T+3T, 3lz+3Lo); Adelina Sotnikova (3T+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo); Carolina Kostner (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Yu-Na Kim (3T+3T, 3F+3T, 3Lz+3T); Sarah Hughes (3T+3Lo, 3S+3Lo, 3Lo+3Lo).
    You forgot Mao!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    You forgot Mao!
    Actually, Mao landed only 2 triple-triple combinations at international competitions. Both for example at 2008 worlds: triple flip-triple loop and triple flip-triple toeloop. She landed triple flip-triple loop-triple toeloop at 2002 nationals but the loop in the cop era would be probably under-rotated and toeloop definitely downgraded. The combination is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyU1Baaaeg&t=1m23s . Let's remember she's one of two women that performed 3 axel - 2 toe, which is also an accomplishment but still, technicaly it's not a triple-triple. So if we count national competitions, Mao can be added to the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    You forgot Mao!
    Yes, Mao landed just two different 3-3s and my list is about different 3-3s so the 3F+3T+3Lo is technically not a different 3-3 because I'm just considering the two-jumps combos for my list.
    Quote Originally Posted by raress View Post
    Thank you, again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    And, yes, I didn't count the 3-jumps combos because (for me, at least, as a skater) they are easier than "real" combos so they are not really 3-3 combinations but 3-3 sequences (now counted as combos, I know) and the list would have been too long!
    3Toe-half loop-3Sal is objectively just as difficult (if not more difficult) than a 3Toe-3Toe. It is definitely a combination as well, my dear. These things do come down to skater preference, though.

    Since you find combinations with half loop + 3Sal on the back end to be "easy and not combinations at all", have you ever managed to do a Triple jump + half loop + 3Flip? I'm guessing probably not. It is a very difficult combination.

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    Agreed on the difficulty of 1/2 loop+anything. The 1/2 loop is a tricky beast because the tendency is to let the checking shoulder start to release which makes it super-easy to pop or not even be able to leave the ice on the follow on jump. It should NEVER have been considered a sequence to begin with as (other than the ISU arbitrarily considering it an unlisted jump element) it meets the definition of combo as there is no change of foot/edge between the landing of one and the take off of the other.

    From a difficulty standpoint, very few skaters have done 1/2 loop+jump combos:
    3A+1/2 loop+flip: Plushenko
    3F/3T/3Lz+1/2loop+sal: Gold, Chan, Rochette, Aaron

    And 1/2 loop+3Lo Sequence:
    Aaron

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    Are there videos of Polina's Triple Triples?
    Specifically the Flip-Loop and Lutz-Loop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Are there videos of Polina's Triple Triples?
    Specifically the Flip-Loop and Lutz-Loop?
    We have posted a link to Polina's Flip-Loop earlier in this thread, and she attempted Lutz-Loop earlier this season, at SC (where it was << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBllbnRZC0 ) and I've seen it in another video and it was better, but I don't remember where...

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    Polina lands 3f-3t-2lo here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Qb7ARRB1A, it was way back in 2008 when she was so tiny, but still, pretty impressive. I think she may have landed 3lz-3lo (no clue about ratification) at one of the Russian test skates this fall, but I can't seem to find the video on youtube...

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