11-04-2012, 07:13 PM
And for what effect, may I ask? To demonstrate that you, too, can add shock value to your comments?
Originally Posted by gmyers
Please see my comment above regarding what I think of the view that Lipnitskaia will be utterly crushed by the senior ladies.
11-04-2012, 07:28 PM
I was just saying that I do not think that it is a good thing that Julia Lipnitskaya won silver. You should never want the silver medal over the gold medal.
11-04-2012, 07:31 PM
No, Julia doesn't yet meet the age requirement for Worlds, unfortunately. I agree with you on all counts, but even with her legendary triple axel, it'll still be an uphill struggle for Mao with Wagner and the Russian girls fighting to get on the podium. She's finished sixth two seasons in a row, and the competition isn't getting any easier. If you look at the detailed judges' scores for Mao and Julia at CoC, you'll see that Julia's EE was higher. Where she lost significant ground was in her PCS.
Originally Posted by jenaj
11-04-2012, 07:33 PM
Well, of course not, especially not someone of her toughness and potential. I simply disagree with the implication that one GP (and, as jenaj said, not a significant competition) has crushed her chances at ever winning another gold medal.
Originally Posted by Reginald
11-04-2012, 07:37 PM
This thread is just
11-04-2012, 07:38 PM
I won't lie--I'm having fun, too.
Originally Posted by evangeline
11-04-2012, 07:39 PM
Oh my, the debate is still going on
I rewatched Mao and Julia's programs in HD.
I'm OK with Julia's PCS. Surely she is good at jumps and spins, but that's it. No transitions, no choreography, no interpretation. Not much speed and ice coverage. She's not mature yet, and skates like junior.
(But she has a potential. Considering her age, she's sooooo great!)
I think Mao was little overmarked on PCS. I would give her 62-63. Akiko was better than Mao, but she only got 59.82 at Skate Canada. (Her TES was 60.22 )
Mao was more mature, expressive than Julia. Her SS was fab. But she was cautious, didn't feel the music. Nothing special besides stroking and arm flapping before the step sequence.
In conclusion, Mao deserves to win even if she was little gifted on PCS. Her jump content was terrible as gmyers said, but overall her other elements and qualities were better than Julia, so could win this competition.
I understand what you're saying, gmyers! But Mao could win because COC was a weak field. I'm sure nobody can win Worlds or Olympic with two kinds of easy triples and without 3-3, 3Lz, and 3F. Mao knows it, and she'll try her best to improve her jumps. Let's wait and see!
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11-04-2012, 08:09 PM
I completely agree, although I would have left out the rather harsh comment about the costume. From the first couple strokes of her LP, Mao's superior qualities as a skater are very clear and her costume was, indeed, gorgeous. She is naturally suited to being the White Swan. The step sequence towards the end was stupendous. I agree with those who say the SP is a bit tacky for her at this point in time (Lori Nichol, what? ), but on the basis on the LP Mao deserved to win here.
Originally Posted by noidont
Agreed. Julia should not be too upset. She is an amazing young skater and she will get better. But without her usual jumps, her LP fell flat.
Originally Posted by chuckm
I know that others explained the interview/translation provided by AlexRus as being inaccurate/incomplete, but it is obvious here that she was nervous (for good reason). Now she may have a better understanding of the things she can work on, and yay, we get to look forward to her progress.
11-04-2012, 08:39 PM
From what I've read about Julia Lipnitskaya, I have very high opinion about her as a fighter. I have no doubt she will learn from this experience as much as possible and will keep working very hard on her SS and other PCS components. She herself doesn't seem like someone who will blame the judges or the system or anything else. She wants to be a skater who no-one can beat and I love that about her. If her jumps stay with her, we might see a very much improved Julia next year. But for now, I am thrilled for Mao Love her Swan Lake, so gorgeous.
11-04-2012, 09:09 PM
I am also thinking not only if Julia had been clean she would have won against the mao that skated but if Mao had been clean she have blown the clean Julia away!!! These what if things can go either way or any way you want them to! If Mao had rotated even one of her flips she would have had an even bigger margin! So there is just no end to hypotheticals! In a post mao, yuna, carolina etc era beginning in april 2014 of course it could be all different so I think this definitely puts an end to the idea that Julia could medal or be a contender at the 2014 olympics because its so obvious so many more poeple will be there and doing more than loops and salchows with great PCS and all things.
Originally Posted by ForeverFish
Mao's win is such a continuation of what happened at 2012 worlds with Kostner winning! She did a flip as her hardest jump. It's always just one competition until it is many than a season worths and then a worlds and an Olympics
Originally Posted by jenaj
If she was defeated by Mao by a good margin - worlds margins can be .04 so mao was a landslide- kostner yuna etc are all virtually unbeatable
Originally Posted by ForeverFish
Not sure about the bolded at all! Because if there is no fall or single jumps and great PCS like Mao in COC how can there not be victory at a worlds with such content. This is almost a total descrption of Kostner at 2012 worlds! Kostner had no lutz so that's not debateable. But then her 3 toe 3 toe was in the SP with her double loop and 2A so Kostner thrid place at worlds in the SP was a triple toe basically as most difficult jump. And in the free skate one completed flip as the hardest with no 3/3 and double flip. That was a landslide victory in the free! 7 points! She won so easy in Nice. Even with that SP with the 3/3 but two doubles. So Mao doesn't really increase her jump content that much at all.
Originally Posted by naan
Last edited by gmyers; 11-04-2012 at 09:16 PM.
11-04-2012, 09:11 PM