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    Evan and Jeremy are both 27. Daisuke is 26 (27 in March). If Evan comes back , he will be ready to compete and will do just fine. Has he announced his withdrawal from Nationals yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Evan and Jeremy are both 27. Daisuke is 26 (27 in March). If Evan comes back , he will be ready to compete and will do just fine. Has he announced his withdrawal from Nationals yet?
    Why is there a heavy feeling Evan will pull out????

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    I never said he wasn't consistent. But I do think he was very lucky - quite often. And yes, he was consistent even though I always found his programs to be boring and predictable. Maybe it was his height or maybe it was the windmilling arms but I never thought his programs flowed. Obviously not a fan but I was thrilled when he won the Olys for the US. That skate was magical. But I also don't think rehearsing a show program is anywhere near the challenge that rehearsing a competitive program is. You're on the ice and you're skating to music and following choreography but you're not concerned about complexity, points, etc. and the level of intensity is different IMO.

    Also IIRC, the controversy that kept him off the ice last season wasn't the USFSA's fault but more like Evan's expectations of how he should be dealt with. Didn't it have to do with money?

    I think the US could put 3 good male skaters out there without him. When it comes to past champions such as Evan it's nice to remember what they did in their prime (I'll use that phrase again) but quite frankly, what can you do for us today? I guess we'll know next week!
    I tihnk you are on the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Why is there a heavy feeling Evan will pull out????
    Because of the sports hernia followed by dead silence on training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Because of the sports hernia followed by dead silence on training.
    At the golden globes the other night he told an interviewer he was training hard (for Sochi). Don't know that that means he will be at Nationals though. But even if he is there and places so he would be on world team, I believe he will still need to establish minimum tes
    scores at an international event to go to Worlds and I would think that door is closing rapidly. Anyone know which such events are still open?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    I never said he wasn't consistent. But I do think he was very lucky - quite often. And yes, he was consistent even though I always found his programs to be boring and predictable. Maybe it was his height or maybe it was the windmilling arms but I never thought his programs flowed. Obviously not a fan but I was thrilled when he won the Olys for the US. That skate was magical. But I also don't think rehearsing a show program is anywhere near the challenge that rehearsing a competitive program is. You're on the ice and you're skating to music and following choreography but you're not concerned about complexity, points, etc. and the level of intensity is different IMO.
    Hmm, I don't disagree with you about how his programs flowed. But I think consistency allowed him to get full benefits of being lucky. Without it, the "luck" of having his biggest competitors falter would not have garnered him the results it did.

    In any case, I don't expect Evan to be at US Nationals (though I didn't expect Sasha Cohen to show up at 2010 Nationals, and surprisingly she did). I'm rooting for Jeremy Abbott and Ross Miner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    At the golden globes the other night he told an interviewer he was training hard (for Sochi). Don't know that that means he will be at Nationals though. But even if he is there and places so he would be on world team, I believe he will still need to establish minimum tes
    scores at an international event to go to Worlds and I would think that door is closing rapidly. Anyone know which such events are still open?
    IIRC, Challenge Cup allows a limited number of late entries for senior skaters that need to obtain the minimum TES for Worlds.

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    IMO The current (latest) Olympic medalists (gold, silver and bronze) should be exempt from the minimum tes score requirement.

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    I am not sure Olympic medals should bring you such entitlement. I know in the US it does but this could mean someone not afraid of being embarassed really could not skate for 3 or 4 years and get a guaranteed spot to say Nats or whatever. Their skating may have been up to snuff in say 2010 but not so 2014 - i am not saying Evan is that weak just saying in general. odd how he had no mentions of nationals and odd how so many comebacks get stalled for a multiple of stated and not stated reasons. It's hard to come back.

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    But surely a former olympic medalist would be able skate well enough to get the min tes, even if they weren't up to their Olympic standard, and most people, I believe, are reluctant to embarrass themselves in front of the world. To do that would really tarnish their medal and reputation. Of course, I don't think most people looked down on Boitano and Witt when they returned to the Olympics after their gold medals and placed 6th and 7th respectively.

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    I do not think that Boitano and Witt are good analogies to Lysacek in terms of the perception of their respective comebacks.

    If Lysacek qualifies for Sochi 2014, he will be the defending champion. Those who pay attention to skating only when the Olympics roll around naturally might have some expectation that he would win (or at least medal) again -- no matter what commentary they hear or read about his hiatus from competition, injuries, etc.

    Boitano and Witt won Olympic gold in 1988, and did not pursue their comebacks until 1994. After a six-year interval that included their absences from the 1992 Games, it was an accomplishment in itself for each simply to compete again in Lillehammer, I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Also IIRC, the controversy that kept him off the ice last season wasn't the USFSA's fault but more like Evan's expectations of how he should be dealt with. Didn't it have to do with money?
    As I understand it the issue between Lysacek's representatives and the USFSA had to do with possible personal endorsement opportunities that might come Evan's way as a result of participating in Skate America, followed by U.S. Nationals. The USFSA wanted a cut; big-time hollywood agency CAA said no.

    The next year Evan switched agents to Shep Goldberg (Michelle Kwan's long-time agent). Goldberg knew the ins and out of the figure skating business and the problems were quickly ironed out.

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    Obviously I don't skate - as evidenced by my screenname. But I have athletes throughout the family. A couple of All-Americans and other award winning sportsmen. All were well-trained athletes at the top of their game. Even one year later, despite continuing to work out, not so much! There is a major difference between playing flag football and the NFL. There is a major difference between playing HORSE and the NBA. I think there is a major difference between skating show programs and competitive programs. That being said, taking 4 years off from the level of intensity required to medal in a major competition, not to mention the Olympics, is HUGE! I don't agree that a reigning Olympic champion should automatically get a bye from qualifying again. I do agree that each country's federation can pick and choose who they think the best representatives should be in each discipline. And the reason I say that is, a skater can be kicking butt throughout the season and have one "off" program and lose their chance. How many times have we seen that?

    In Evan's case, until he proves himself again in a competitive setting, as far as I'm concerned all bets and "wishful thinkings" are off. It's just so much talk!

    I'm backing Jeremy Abbott and either Jason Brown or Adam Rippon. Yeah, I know the last two are iffy but I think both are capable. If Evan should skate Nationals and should medal or even win - more power to him and I'll be happy for him. I just dont' think it's going to happen.

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    If Evan hopes to even make the US team next year he needed to start his comeback this season. Being 28 and having not competed in almost 4 years is asking a lot of someone that old and out of competitive shape. Even Yuna needed to start competing again this year to get ready for Sochi and she's much younger then Evan.

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    I'm backing Jeremy Abbott and either Jason Brown or Adam Rippon. Yeah, I know the last two are iffy but I think both are capable. If Evan should skate Nationals and should medal or even win - more power to him and I'll be happy for him. I just dont' think it's going to happen.[/QUOTE]


    I'm okay with Jeremy (because of his pcs advantage even if he misses his jumps), but I still think Evan is our strongest chance at Worlds. Evan won't compete unless he feels that he's ready. He doesn't need to medal this year, just place high enough to earn the US two or in a perfect world, three spots.

    As far as Jason and Adam, I love them both but not for this year's world team. Jason barely has a triple axel and Adam has had lots of chances to shine but just hasn't done it yet.

    If Evan doesn't show up, I'd go with Ross Miner or Richard Dornbush for the second spot. I love Ross's consistency and Ricky's charisma and technical levels.

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