Programs that will still be talked about in 20+ years?
So often, I hear people bring up old programs from a very long time ago. I wasn't a fan of skating back then, but the programs must have been something for people to still talk about them now, so many years later. I hear a lot of people mention programs from Torvill and Dean, Toller Cranston, Katarina Witt, and Michelle Kwan (though she wasn't that long ago) to name a few.
So my question is, what programs, if any, from this Olympic quadrennial are good enough that people will still be talking about them 20+ years from now? (Granted, I know there is one more seaon still to go, and I'm sure there will be some great programs in the Olympic season, but from what we have seen so far.) Have we seen any programs that will go down among the all-time greats, that we will still bring up in conversations many years down the road?
Two come to mind for me: Daisuke Takahashi's 'Blues for Klook' and Davis & White's 'Die Fledermaus'. You may or may not agree on these two, but what are your opinions? Are there any programs from this quadrennial that will be talked about for years to come?
Great thread! Had Ashley won the WC last year I think her Swan Lake would be remembered. That's been the most memorable program to me and really evoked strong opinions from fans, both positive and negative.
I agree on these two, but can't think of any others.
Originally Posted by Butterscotch17
Die Fledermaus was on my mind when I saw the title. I think Daisuke's "In the garden of souls" Sp is much more praised than his LP but I like them both a lot. Carolina's LP was one of the nicest program since Vancouver but I'm not sure it's gonna be mentioned in 20 years mostly because oh her lower jump content. Maybe S/S Pina, for it's innovation
Hopefully the good ones!! Die Fliedermaus David and White, Blues for Klook Takahashi, Pina S/S hopefully. I think ladies is tougher maybe Kostner's from 2012. So well recieved all year but I guess few are talking about it now!! But maybe when her jumping level isn't so big it may grow?
FOr negative programs It's from the previous cycle but how about Aboriginal D/S?!? It has never been performed at a GP or Euros or worlds but you know about I/K's Ghost already! Wowza!!
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I hope S/S's programs in general, and Pina in particular, will be remembered further down the road. They have such a diverse and innovative body of work.
Possibly Dai's programs from last year, or if I'm allowed to cheat a bit, the fabulous La Strada.
Honestly, I have found most of the skating in recent years kind of forgettable, even from skaters I like. There are programs I'm always happy to re-watch (not necessarily winning programs), but few of them are from the last few seasons. The technical side of skating is being pushed (in some of the disciplines, at least) - but with so many people having learned how to play the system, there is way too much cookie-cutter IJS stuff, with the difference being the varying levels of difficulty. And while occasionally we still get something that is IJS-friendly and artistically interesting, a lot of the programs seems interchangeable to me. But then, brilliant programs in general aren't that common; if there were too many of them, they wouldn't be as memorable.
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As well as Dai's programs & D&W's Die Fledermaus.
I know I'm going to be talking about seeing D&W's Giselle SD at Skate America live for a long time
I think V&M's Carmen will be talked about in 20 years. People either love it or hate it, and controversy definitely gets and keeps people talking about a program. Toller Cranston was rather controversial in the day.
IJS has made this extremely difficult! I agree with that. Everyone just has to do so much the same to get good levels and real individuality is rare. The ability to focus on certain things and make them really individual to you over someone else has been lessened I think. Step or spins or whatever.
Forgot Abbott and Muse FS. So good!
I think before D and W's programs, V and M deserved to be remembered more for their Oly long program; I am not sure Ssquared are really a memorable team andthus performance though they are good. G and G's Oly lps both may be remembered; Baiul's Oly short program, almost all of Kwan's long programs after 1995 and Maria Butyrskaya's Otonal world winning performance wills tand out in my mind. I disagree that B and S from Russia should be grouped with many other world winning pairs from Russia or prior Russian teams.
Originally Posted by gmyers
I loved the Bollywood theme of Davis and White (with which they were second eventually at the last Olympics), Caro's lovely FP last year while I also enjoyed Takahashi's from last year. The overall winner is still Yagudin's Winter SP in 2002 though, and I also loved Alexander Abt's SP in the same year. But these last two are already too old for this particular thread. Even the Bollywood theme is probably (although does the WC 2006 already count for the new quadrennial?).
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