11-10-2012, 11:06 AM
We shall see. Im not sure if they are capable now though. They are not as good as before and have regressed technically. Before they also had a SD that was not as atrocious as the one they have this year.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
11-10-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm not sure if they've regressed technically. They simply did not get the levels. That's more a matter of missing the key points or missing a rotation in a twzzle or a bracket in step sequence, etc. V/M and D/W also have been missing levels as well...so Team Canton will have to work on that.
Originally Posted by blackswanphoto
Actually when you look at the +GOE scores, they did OK. They got mostly +1 with a dozen or so +2 sprinkled in, especially in the step sequence, which I like a lot. So the judges are saying as far as execution they were solid (though they can easily score more +GOE; they can get +3 on the twizzles)
ETA: Missysays I think summed it up well earlier RE: technical ability
Originally Posted by missysays
11-10-2012, 11:15 AM
In the words of the immortal Clint Eastwood: "A man's gotta know his limitations." It's one thing to try to stretch oneself, but to use music and costuming that is clearly derivative of other skaters is to invite unfavorable comparisons when you can't remotely live up to it. I say again, early season or not, first time out or not, 3-4 weeks or not, this dog of a program is never going to hunt.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
11-10-2012, 11:24 AM
The Shibs have not dropped technically, but just doing something "different" does not automatically make it good. Doing a "polka" to this music is really ridiculous. Can't image what Marina was thinking.
11-10-2012, 11:29 AM
Do you really want to quote someone who been talking to empty chairs? I kid.
Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie
Seriously though, I'm a bit torn. My first inclination is also to trash it and start with something new; so if they end up doing that I won't be terribly disappointed about it. But after hearing Imaginary Pogue's comments, watching it several times (to see what IP was talking about) and watching it back to back with the Duchesnay program, I don't think it's a complete loss either. They have a beautiful opening step sequence that was well timed to the music.
YMMY (clearly, as we've seen in this discussion) -- but I can go either way as far as this SD. But the thing we learn with the Shibs is they work quite hard and are great about refining programs, even in a short time. (See last year's SD when they did two GP events back to back). So perhaps that is a case that they can do a new SD as well and quickly.
11-10-2012, 03:47 PM
Wicked Yankee Girl
The worst issue for the Shibs is not the fact the Duchesnays skated to Dolencias & Sikuriade first, it is that I&K skated to this music as a folk dance OD when they won Jr. Worlds in 2010
The sound on the above vid is dreadful. A better version is their JGPF version
A disastrous competition for the Shibs, who finished 4th overall and fourth in the OD.
BTW, the Duchesnay's used the version by Inti-Illimani, not Incantations
(and I Like the Inti Illimani versions better)
Not to mention that there are lots of other songs by these groups, if you want to dance to Andean music You don't have to use the same 2 songs.
The Duchesnays also used Cachapaya, is by Incantations is this version
Last edited by dorispulaski; 11-10-2012 at 05:57 PM.
11-11-2012, 02:32 PM
The trouble I have with the Shibs program is that they aren't connecting with the music at all. They have some interesting movements, but it's like they're doing the movements to the music, rather than dancing with the music. They aren't capturing the spirit of the pieces. Maybe because they started this program so late?
11-11-2012, 06:17 PM
I agree with this, but my feelings aren't limited to this season. I think their skating is missing this overall. Of course, this is absolute personal perception. Having said that, plenty of dancers considered "technicians" go on to attain success so who's to say that the Shibs won't do the same in skating. But on a personal level, I need that additional level of mastery, and it's what separates the good from the great.
Originally Posted by all that
11-11-2012, 11:13 PM
Wicked Yankee Girl
I saw the Shibs live at 2010 US Nationals. Absolutely, they connect to the music. They have an absolutely superior sense of timing when they are completely comfortable with their programs-not surprising as they are the children of musicians. (Mom is a concert pianist, dad plays the flute)
11-12-2012, 11:51 PM
I agree, this was noticable back in 2008, too!
Originally Posted by dorispulaski