11-10-2012, 06:59 AM
11-10-2012, 07:30 AM
I think it's cute that you call Urmanov, Urmy.
Originally Posted by deedee1
11-10-2012, 08:19 AM
Bona Fide Member
First of all, I didn't mock Patrick in this forum. But honestly sometimes I don't agree with his points and results. I know skater who was superstar at 18. A sport needs superstars.
Originally Posted by jan
Yes, the Fs lost popularity, but why? Do you remember Nice? The laymen crowd didn't understand the reasult. In this situation, when the Fs isn't too popular, the stars have big-big fan camp, and buy the tickets for his favorite, so it isn't good explanation.
Originally Posted by SGrand
Last edited by plushyfan; 11-10-2012 at 12:50 PM.
11-10-2012, 08:34 AM
After the landing of the quad, Patrick had a split second to decide whether or not to go for the combo. He went for it, but he didn't have enough speed for a double. It was a mistake, but not because he can't do math or doesn't know the rules. It's just very difficult during the performance to decide to change your program on the fly.
Originally Posted by Ilvskating
The 2010 GPF is one example of a time where the landing on the quad was okay but iffy (slightly UR but not visibly so), and he opted not to do the quad combo, and later did a 3/3.
Perhaps because if your quad is your solo jump, then it needs to have footwork/steps preceding it, and it's easier to have steps leading into his 3Lz than the quad. It's also good for skaters to get the combo out of the way. That way if you mess up your first attempt at the combo, you have the second jumping pass later in the program to try to get it done. But if you move your combo attempt to the back half, then that's your only chance.
Originally Posted by skatinginbc
11-10-2012, 03:09 PM
Bona Fide Member
To continue Jaylee's point, I can think of several reasons why a skater might go for the 4T-3T combo, sacrificing the ten per cent bonus on the triple toe.
1. The 4T-3T is the gold standard for men's figure skating. You want gold? Meet the standard!
2. Any reasonably acceptable 4T-3T is going to get positive GOE on top of base value. Triple Lutz-triple toe, maybe not so automatic.
3. What jaylee said. It is difficult to do steps, turns and skating movements into a quad. You risk a mandatory -3 GOE if the tech team decides you didn't do enough.
4. If you get your quad combo out of the way at the beginning then you can really concentrate on milking the program components the rest of the way. In particular...
5. You can do something extraordinary leading into the solo triple Lutz that you wouldn't want to chance either for a quad or for a Lutz combo.
11-10-2012, 03:34 PM
Thank you, jaylee and mathman.
11-10-2012, 03:59 PM
11-10-2012, 05:34 PM
Neither one really tried to, though. When Scott Hamilton and Brian Boitano were unhappy with the opportunities (or lack thereof) given to them after Gold they went out and created their own market. Scott along with his management company created a new touring show. Boitano created his own production company, put on Carmen on Ice and then headlined Champions On Ice believing that the US was big enough for two shows like SOI/COI...
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Instead of whining that there isn't, they should go out and make... but I know that's not society's mentality these days. Someone else has to do the work.
11-11-2012, 08:22 AM
What is unfair is to twist people's words and put them in their mouth. No one said that it's PChan's fault entirely that the popularity of fs in NA is below zero. The controversy of his wins is one of the factor but not the only one.
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Pretty much the same happened in Russia when the USSR collapsed and the sport lost financial sources. Folks like Averbuch, Zakaryan (Plu's agent) created their companies, shows and the rest you know. Shizhuka in Japan is another good example of working hard promoting this sport instead of whining.
Originally Posted by Tonichelle
11-11-2012, 11:12 AM
11-11-2012, 05:52 PM
I wouldn't call Galina "trash," but I do agree that Johnny's technique has suffered under her. She wasn't able to help Oksana with her technique on jumps either. However, Johnny never had any problems with his jump technique before leaving Priscilla. So as for Galina, I'd have to say, "Don't try fixing what ain't broke!" But I guess it's too late now.
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
After viewing the programs, none of the guys skated with much passion or inspiration. Too bad re Richard's problems on the combo and hand down on the 3-axel, because he otherwise did a good job and I think he's a much smoother skater with budding interpretive skills than Bush, Menshov, Gachinski and Brezina (although Brezina has very good potential artistically to go along with his jumps -- he just hasn't shown much yet -- I don't like his sp choreo, costume or music). Menshov is a good skater and landed his jumps, but he lacks stretch, artistry, and interpretive skills. Bush shows much improvement as someone else mentioned above, but he still has a long way to go. Gachinski is improved in terms of landing his jumps compared to his recent performances. Apparently, Johnny skated injured, but still he landed more of his jumps than Denis Ten, so I'm not sure why Denis wasn't in last place. I do love Denis' programs this season, but he needs to skate with more confidence and learn how to land his jumps under pressure. Maybe he should ask for more help from Lambiel, as Frank's pep talks are clearly not working for D10. It will be a shame if Denis never gets it together. He's a much better skater than his results show.
Of all, I enjoyed Kozuka and Patrick Chan. PC did a wonderful job and looks to be back on track.
Last edited by Art&Sport; 11-11-2012 at 06:39 PM.