And looking at the endless complaints Trankov makes and his many mistakes, I begin to wonder if Maria Mukhortova might not have been at fault for the problems in that partnership to the degree many people thought.
Last edited by Buttercup; 11-10-2012 at 08:39 AM.
I think we should take it easy. I believe the OG will be ok. There's always so much scrutinity going on in the OG! Everybody is watching with an eagle eye. Yes, there are problems sometimes. Let's not suffer by antecipation.
Volosozhar & Trankov are a wonderful pair and even with the mistakes they did, the advantage they gained in the SP should be enough to assure them the gold medal anyway. What I don't understand is why there were judges scoring them with 9.75 for performance / execution when they had big mistakes that obviously took away from the general impression and the skaters themselves reflected it during the program. With that said they also got scores as high as 9.75 for interpretation. I agree with that judge that scored them with 7.75 in that segment simply because it reflects what happened on the day!!!
Last edited by mikiandorocks; 11-10-2012 at 08:39 AM.
PAIRS FREE SKATE - VIDEOS & RESULT
1. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR & Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) - 207.53 Free Skate, 2nd Copy
2. Vera BAZAROVA & Yuri LARIONOV (RUS) - 191.08 Free Skate
3. Caydee DENNEY & John COUGHLIN (USA) - 179.21 Free Skate
4. Paige LAWRENCE & Rudi SWIEGERS (CAN) - 154.16 Free Skate
5. Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA & Alexei ROGONOV (RUS) - 150.15 Free Skate
6. Tiffany VISE & Don BALDWIN (USA) - 143.15 Free Skate
7. Nicole DELLA MONICA & Matteo GUARISE (ITA) - 142.53 Free Skate
Last edited by Mao88; 11-10-2012 at 12:39 PM.
I don't think any of us will ever agree and we all have our favourites, bias and perception influenced by our own perceptions and biases
And one of the things in defence of say Korpi is that the judges not the people from all over the world are giving her the high scores. Ditto for Chan and it isn't just Finland or Canada. I know there are some experienced and knowledgeable folks maybe even some real coaches out there or skaters but a lot of us are not at the level of skating or expereinced enough to know all the details of COP or appreciate such things other than aesthethics and jmps but things like edges and nuances of body line, blade control, etc not easy to judge to those of us who are not "pros".
I enjoyed the Canadians' performance - they had some interesting transitions. Too bad about the jump issues. I do believe if they want to be contenders they will have to improve technically.
I actually thought the judging of the entire event was questionable.
I would have had DM/G ahead of V/B and M/R, maybe even L/S in the free skate. I also would have had D/C over B/L.
The inflated scores of the Russian pairs were ridiculous.
Last edited by *~RussianBleux~*; 11-10-2012 at 08:39 PM.
Well, at least we're prepared. The Voloszhar/Trankov coronation began today.
The rueful looks on V/T's faces after their skate said it all. They knew they had not done a good FS. Then came their marks---yikes! They should only have been maybe 3-4 points ahead of B/L in the FS, not 7 points.
The pairs judging was scandalous today! No way else to describe it. How did they call Denney's 2A underrotated, but not Bazarova's, which was blatantly more underrotated? B/L totally missed their second lift and did not suffer nearly enough in GOE because of it. All of their jumps and throws had noticable errors, yet their marks hardly reflect it. Their 3FTh received marks from -1 to +2. +2s are crazy considering it wasn't a clean element!
The GOE ranged from -2 to +3 (!!!!) for Volosozhar/Trankov's 3STh throw, which landed on 2 feet! Outrageous! Why did they get several -2s for falls?! I know that falls don't have to automatically be given -3, but come on, those were major falls! How did one judge only give -1 for their botched sbs 3S combo? The look on Tatiana's face when the score came up showed that even she knew they were very overscored. How could she not?
Just like at Skate Canada, it continues to baffle my mind that an international panel of judges will inflate scores for the home skaters when they feel it's necessary. But I think this event was even worse than anything that's happened at Skate Canada... This was a very blatant and sad attempt to hold the 2 Russian pairs up. If they had just scored every element fairly, V/T would have still won. D/C and B/L would have flipped, but what would have been so wrong with that? So strange that an international panel of judges acts like this.
The Americans should have filed a complaint... Complaints probably aren't even allowed, but they should be!
Last edited by gold12345; 11-10-2012 at 11:50 PM.
I would like someone to clarify:
V/T's throws are high and long but if they can't land them decently, should they get credit for the height and length? Are they actually getting credit for that? Eg, height & length +GOE=2, fall -GOE=-3 overall -1 GOE?
Anyone can throw a girl high and long. There is no virtue in it per se.
Last edited by StellaCampo; 11-11-2012 at 04:17 AM. Reason: correction
1) Volosozhar/Trankov (with a score between 125-126)
3) Bazarova-Larionov (with a PCS around 60, not 4 points higher than D/C with many more mistakes and nothing sèecial in the program itself, excpet being Russians in Russia(!!!), and a < in at least one on the 2As, plus negative or 0 GOEs for their throws!)