I don't think it is a good criticism to set some programs as B-level at the first sight, depending on criteria such as music cut or choreography.
I do have preferences when it comes to 'artistic' side of a program but really, I don't see it as a strong total-score determinant. The system should not be working that way - if so, skaters will have to try to meet the judge's taste to get high PCS.
And I always like to believe that all programs have potentials to come, and that happens from time to time to give me pleasant surprise.
That's what I wanted to say. Maybe my words were way too abbreviated.
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Concerning S/S like I said I was utterly exhausted when they were on so maybe I was just tired. They were both running around and were practising and warming up in the venue the whole day, during the ladies competition as well. It was really small so you could see the skaters face to face and watch them do their thing. Which was amazing and cozy. You don't have that in a stadium. Of course, Yuna was the exception......Generally everybody was smaller than they look on TV. I think movie stars also look bigger on screen.
I just watched Misha Ge's FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAivn...nZkICg&index=2
What the heck was the last minute? I thought the music screwed up ---but no, it was part of the program we went from City Lights to hip-hop?! I'm surprised he didn't get a vocal music deduction. And the judges loved it--he got +1.93 GOE for that step sequence. I'm not sure if judges at an ISU championship would be that generous, but I admire the guy for trying something new. The audience clearly loved it.
^Yes, I remember thinking that there was something wrong with the music. I was sure he would get a deduction for this, I wonder why he didn't. The audience who is screaming so loudly consisted mainly of the other skaters at that point, it was late and he was the last one to skate.
I think it's just 1 point for a vocal music deduction?
He should have gotten one, but what an entertaining routine!
Wow I'm impressed with Yunas 1A+1T+1Lo and 2.20 points for it
How was it like for the skaters training at Essen? You guys did great to keep it a secret.
I have to take my hats off to the Germans for being excellent hosts, accommodating and very hospitable to all the foreigners. I went to NRW Trophy in Dortmund, and everything just went extraordinary smoothly and efficiently, easy going and relaxed, German style. Met alot of happy Germans (maybe something to do with Christmas Market?) all spoke good English which makes it extra easy to go around. I especially want to thank Thomas who manned the door hehe...
By the way your ice hokey team is seriously called Moskitos? Like Mosquitos in English? I can see why she's a bit curious, the nearest comparison I can find in the UK is team Wasp/stinger, but I can't think of any insect team smaller than a wasp.
Oh yeah Misha's FS music edit was definitely weird, I think maybe it wasn't compressed properly, it seems to have lost the bass part when it changed rhythm into vacal/Rap. I like the premise of the program (like a modern chaplin in tux), and even got a kick out of the quarter Pink Tux costume, but the music really took me out of the program so I am not sure if worked. I even saw one of the judges scratched her head going 'ayiiieeiyayaya... what to do', I sympathies with her. However it is nice to see bit of a personality on these competitions and with Misha there's always plenty.
I was impressed with Menshovs, I am not familiar with him and at the beginning I thought this program might be something Artur Gachinski might do, choice of music & choreography. But his presence is mature, masculine, and classical. I like it alot.
And MaiKatze, i empathise with you, I a still recuperating from my trip. May be I was too nervous for Yuna (who succeeded beyond my expectations), I am now simply exhausted.
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There's no easy-listening melodies, rhythms or motifs which she can latch on to. This choice is certainly the antithesis of Les Miserable. This is not some familiar well recognized 'master work' that everyone already knows by heart which could make skater's life so much easier. It is the same principle on what makes Dai's FS last year so great, it is not what they do, but how they do it. A good elite challenge would be making the least appetizing ingredients work and how to turn it into a credible program. So of course it is totally jarring to those who are perhaps used to certain style of presentation. B-movies tends to be over melodramatic and a bit hokum, where everything is just a bit bigger than life and twisted and yes 'totally off'
On the other hand, this style guru seems to like it
Maybe it is a UK thing, we are just a bit twisted
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My coach tipped our group off - she also was an Olympic skater once and went to Innsbruck at 1976 and shared the ice with Toller Cranston! (I asked her whether she knew that he hated figures really so much that he threw his figure skates in the pond there.....;-))Ah well, she was only 15 years old skating at pairs at the time...and now she is 50 years old and still teaching;-))) she has got connections of course - knows Aljona and Robin as well as Ingo Steuer and all of their coaches......Yesterday we celebrated her b-day and Advent party so we all thanked her for that wonderful opportunity we got. She works part time at the rink and is a member of the club that manages the rink. i sometimes do volunteer work as well there.
Oh yes, and Yu Na Kim signed my skates! they are lucky skates now and i hopefully will learn that darn 3-turn now;-))))
Yes the ice hockey team is called after the insect mosquito: and their slogan is (so I translated it for her): We fight, sting and are victorious;-))) ah well, but they arent too good..they lose often!
be as it may, in the saturday evening I went to listen to the Christmas Oratorio at Essens Philharmonie and nearly dozed off in my seat through Ingeborg Danz alto aria singing Sleep my dear jesus....I was so exhausted! But I enjoyed it anyway, as the choir under helmuth Rilling (a household name for Bach concertos, he also won a Grammy) was excellent. Simply a perfect day.
I find the LP of Ge actually quite entertaining....it is a mash up of Chapiln with Rap, why not and he put on a real good show, too at the beginning.....we will see how he will do at Europeans. Some programs need time to grow....same with Aljona and Robin's LP. i liked the SP with their new costumes, it gels now. But hey ok, how can you top "Pina"?? They kicked V/T's butt last year and so they will do this year...LOL. But what is the matter with Trankov? IMO he hurt himself at the first fall and completely lost it at that lift and fell again. Pairs is dangerous indeed.
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Wow it is so cool you get to train with an Olympic coach, best luck to you. Do you do singles, or pairs? Robin jogged past me a few times, and Aljona went through a seat railing like a world champion right next to me. It is extraordinary really how close you can get to the skaters. It was very cozy and friendly atmosphere so no wonder all the skaters looks rather relaxed and seems to enjoy themselves. Walk around and was like 3-5 feet from all everyone. But I thought it was cool how every one behaved nonchalantly as if it was nothing.... as it should be I think. Except when Yuna walks in, and the rink is immediately buzzing.
Thanks for confirming the Mosquito ice hockey rink. Actually thinking about it, I can't help but get a bit of a giggle, because Mosquitos are vampire insects who kisses to survive, so Yuna's practice was at a vampire insect rink (the place to be kissed by vampires in Germany)!? Good lord... a nice omen for her return??
Yeah the Dortmund practice rink is more like a Ice Hocky rink and is too cold for practice, it is like -1 degrees these 2days, especially with the snow hail on Sunday, and it is a standard open rink, basically 2 walls, 2 open sides. It DOES have a roof, but I'd imagine not ideal for someone used to warmer conditions. I did see a few skater there practicing, all wearing very warm clothing.
Misha need to pump up the bass for the rap part of his music track. Yeah crowd love him, who doesn't like Misha :P
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LOL about that connection about Essen's ice rink. Yep could be the reason why she asked me that...she really thinks a lot about what she does with her choreo. Actually I sent her an mp3 with a wonderful instrumental cover of Adeles Rolling in the Deep as a thank you this morning;-)))
Ah I see about Dortmunds practice rink. Well, Essen's rink was above zero at least as it is in a building - though not heated. We all practise with fleece anoraks and trousers. i bought a second set of them recently;-)))) Actually Essen's rink is used regularly as a practice venue for competitions that are in Dortmund. We have a very impressive skater's wall of fame in the bosses' office. Yu Na and Jin Seo were added this weekend.......
I am sure Misha will work at his routine. It has a lot of potential IMO.