ITA. Other federations are far more invested in their athletes than the US is so in those instances, I'd say the federation has the majority of the power when it comes to what the skater does. When it comes to monitoring the skaters and sending the best out to compete, I think this is a good thing. At times I feel like the USFSA's lax approach to paying attention to their skaters ends up coming back to bite them in the butt...
There should be a happy medium...
ITA. Other federations are far more invested in their athletes than the US is so in those instances, I'd say the federation has the majority of the power when it comes to what the skater does. When it comes to monitoring the skaters and sending the best out to compete, I think this is a good thing. At times I feel like the USFSA's lax approach to paying attention to their skaters ends up coming back to bite them in the butt...
There should be a happy medium between one extreme and the other.
What is so fair about Mirai getting the spot ...what is so fair that a mediocre skater like McCorkell gets national title after national title. What is fair - one can argue Flatts treatment versus Czisny is unfair, inappropriate, biased whatever.Originally Posted by Ravensque
Just curious. If US manage a podium finish, other than able to gain extra WC spots next year, would that increase their overall budget to fund for all other skaters next year? If such is the case, then I can understand the aggravation. I disagree with you overall on national interest. Just because the Chinese and Russian skaters are funded differently through the state, it does't mean they want it any less for themselves AND for national interests, since surely their own funding correspond to their performance result too.
In the meant time I would categorize 'everything else' as backdoor politics. It is always easier to tear up those at the top through behind the scene natter/msg boards/propaganda to tarnish a skater's images than do it on Ice. Want to get rid of Mirai and Alissa? Easy...Beat them on home ice where and when it count ladies. That's all!
Last edited by os168; 11-12-2012 at 04:46 PM.
Well both have shown great potential jump, spin and artistry wise but have had their problems. the issue is did they both deserve 2 GPs. Russia, Japan and American ladies while good (not sure about Russia) have had tonnes of GP opportunities deserved or otherwise. Now if Alissa would do the right thing and withdraw and the federation do the right thing and invite say Osmond. I know it is iimpossible to read the mind of the skater but there should be a penalty for false withdrawls or delayed withdrawls - problem is what is legit. I think most will agree it is apparent Alissa has had issues and should pull out - unless it was a cold for the exhibition then she should bow out and do the honourable thing.
I am glad that Mirai got the NHK spot. GO Miria!
That is the issue. How they are funded in the USA does correspond to results but only INDIVIDUALLY (i.e. Czisny is benefited not at all if Wagner wins gold at worlds) and ONLY if the results are positive. If Alyssa finished 10 at NHK, or if she withdraws, that is all the same. She won't be 'punished' under current rules for finishing 10th or 'rewarded' for withdrawing. And because the federation is not invloved and give her almost no money either way it's all the same to her. Even the skaters who get THE MOST funding do not recieve anywhere near enough to costume themselves, pay for coaches, ice time, etc. A HUGE amount of USA skaters training comes from their own pocket even if they are first in the world. This in fact is more incentive to compete when not ready- if Alyssa somehow manages to pullout a top 5 finish she will get some money from ISU due to her placement. And US skaters want/need that money way more than those from other countries.
In the meantime all that will matter for Alyssa in terms of how much money she gets this year will be Nationals results (or Worlds/4CCs if she earns a spot to them). Yet again in these instances there is no reason for her to withdraw- if she finishes low enough she wont' get envelope money, but if she withdraws there is no money for her anyway. In a place like Russia, where if you withdraw it is nothing to you since you will still get enough money to train/live ANYWAY, skaters can withdraw a lot more freely (and the federation can have a lot more sway in convincing them to withdraw since ALL their money to skate is coming from the federation NOT their own or their parents pockets)
This isn't the best organized/most well thought out post I have ever written but I hope my point is making sense.
Last edited by tulosai; 11-12-2012 at 05:01 PM.
Isn't it too late for Osmond to get a spot anyway?
Not necessarily. In fact to the contrary, NHK has been filling spots now even though withdrawals were after the cut off for when they 'have to' which is some indication they want to fill spots if they can. However, with Visas etc, the 'realistic' cutoff for when Czisny would have to withdraw for a skater to get a spot is likely within the next day or two though that will vary by country/how flexible NHK is willing to be.
Isn't today the last day for NHK to name replacements?
It states the Canadians can visit Japan for up to 90 days without a visa. But I wonder the rules change for athletes since some will "earn money" by doing well at the GP.
First post! Im so glad she got NHK, I was hoping she would get another GP. when she is on she is a joy to watch
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I'm really glad Mirai will be going! Her short progam is wonderful and I think her long program just needs more mileage and this is a great opportunity, Go Mirai!!
Who is Miria replacing, Csnizy or the russian girl , sorry I dont know her name?
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