Well, here I am defending him again. I wish I could find the interview but sometime during or immediately after US Nats this year Johnny spoke to his relationship with the USFSA. He had met with members of that group during Nationals to discuss a possible comeback and was encouraged to come back to figure skating in the US because it was felt that he would be a crowd pleaser. I do believe the USFSA realizes they've lost significant support from TV and the viewing community and need something to get it back. And whether or not you like Johnny he does create interest. I think many on this board are alot more technically adept than I am. They know the ins and outs of the judging system and can take a program right down to the nubs, dissect it from every angle. While I have great respect for that kind of knowledge, I'm your average figure skating fan with a modicum of knowledge from watching it for over 30 years. I may know a little more than the average person sitting in an arena but certainly nowhere near the knowledge that exists on this board. I say that because I watch figure skating for the enjoyment of it. I also tend to believe people until proven otherwise. Johnny isn't in figure skating for anything other than an extreme love of the sport. Yes his costumes are flamboyant and he's "original" but he isn't the only gay skater in the world. If his programs are simple or don't have the other elements that some of the top skaters have - so what. It will be reflected in the scores. But a well-skated simple program will probably beat a poorly skated program full of two-footed quad jumps and spins with eleventeen positions. I think the average figure skating fan enjoys watching Johnny skate. I think he creates interest because of his flamboyance and costumes. But I honestly honestly don't think he's lying about his injury. Call me naive..........but that's what I believe.
I'm sorry for being so negative... I didn't mean to offend anybody. Actually, I really do like Johnny a lot as a skater, that's why I'm interested in this subject at all and discussing it. But this season... I don't see him as a crowd pleaser anymore. He just recycles his former self.
And I just don't understand this comeback, why do it?
Out of pure love for sport and hope for Olympics in dear country? If his programs are simple or don't have the other elements that some of the top skaters have - so what. It will be reflected in the scores. It surely will, but why then hoping for Olympics, with programs that even if skated clean can't get him anywhere? Yes, Galina is certainly a 6.0 coach, but she's not blind or stupid. And if it is a pure love for sport - why not to try something NEW? at least some different song of lady GaGa...
Or maybe this come back was mounted out of desire to gain attention? ...
as for gay thing - I didn't meant that at all, actually I'm not even interested in his (or anybody's for that matter) sexual life. I just don't care.
Last edited by adamanna; 11-14-2012 at 05:35 PM.
This is possible. It is hard for skaters to be relevant once they retire now that most of the professional opportunities are gone. If he wants to do television and be a gay athlete/icon, it is important for him to stay in the limelight and excel in the sport that made him famous. I think he knows he won't be winning any World or Olympic medals, but he can certainly compete for the podium at Nationals if he skates his best.
Originally Posted by adamanna
Adamanna - no offense taken. But I do disagree with you about Johnny being a crowd pleaser. I think he brings excitement to wherever he skates. And he still has a fairly large fanbase. As for talking about the Olys, why would anyone come back and say "oh I just want to skate Nationals!" I would hope in his heart of hearts that he's being realistic about his chances even at Nationals. But it does bother me that a smart coach like Galina can't see that his program isn't competitive - if it isn't!
Anyway - I've posted too much in this thread already. What will be, will be.
You can't blame Galina. Just because someone should be doing more in-betweens doesn't mean they can. Johnny skated an empty program and still made jumping mistakes, so he needs to skate clean before worrying about more difficult choreography.
Originally Posted by noskates
I think adamanna you are not being negative. You simply state how you see it and I think Weir has shown how done he is, even his ubers will be praying in English and Russian IF he competes at Nationals. If Evan does come back, and Jeremy, Adam, Ricky, Ross skate even fairly well, Johnny will be lucky to place fifth. I expect a withdrawal, as has become the custom that even MK chose. Never retire, just fade away and go on with a new direction.
It is a bit sad, but Johnny has good freinds, some good memories of when he was promising, and truly elegant, plus he seems happily married to a man he loves and is all he seems to have wanted. There will be more shows-maybe invitations to a Russian show or an Asian show, but I think he is really cooked. Local "celeb" shows to skate for a New York gay community cause. In a way I am disappointed, as he was so disappointing. I hope Evan's comeback is real and possible. I know Evan will work very hard to make it possible, but I somehow doubt he will embarrass himself as Oly Gold medalist.
I guess it shows the state of mens skating in the west that Russia needs 30 year old Evgeny and 29 year old Menshov, while we are looking to veterans to pick up some interest. USFSA really needs to find new corporate sponsors to get some money in the sport and push to get events televised if they have to give the rights away. Asking Johnny back smacks of desperation.
I expect better of Evan if he is not injured. Mens is dismal really with men who are poor competitors. I really was amazed Ryan Bradley, a not very good skater was awarded the NC. So while some don't like Evan's skating, i see a lot to like. I hope Nationals is not a splatfest. It seems only Evan and Dornbush have a competitive mentality. We do not have anyone other than Evan that can compete at all consistently. I hope he is skating well. I have not heard any news on this forum-tho I feel I will seek it out otherwise.