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2012 TEB Men's Short Program SP

emma

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I hear what you are saying and do find my self both excited by the men's quad in the short program and worried! I would really, really hate to imagine worlds this year without Dai.
 

demarinis5

Gold for the Winter Prince!
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Jan 23, 2004
Congrats to Jeremy and thanks to Mao for posting the video of his performance! Looking foward to watching the videos.
 

deedee1

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deedee1-- You can watch Mura! It will be worth it. :)

Thanks, Mrs. P. I actually did watch the competition thru on-line streaming, and was so excited to see Mura doing that well in SP!

But the competition itself was a bit disappointing to me, except perfect Takahito and clean Jeremy...
What I wanted to write was 'Idk why I bothered myself to stay up that late to watch this comp???'. Since it's getting so late in my time and my English was just that bad...Okay, it's 4am already. Will go to my bed. Good night, everyone!
 

Mao88

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MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

1. Jeremy ABBOTT (USA) - 81.18 Short Program
2. Takahito MURA (JPN) - 76.65 Short program, 2nd Copy
3. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 75.46 Short Program, 2nd Copy
4. Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL) - 68.90 Short Program, 2nd Copy
5. Jinlin GUAN (CHN) - 65.77 Short Program
6. Nan SONG (CHN) - 65.75 Short Program, 2nd Copy
7. Florent AMODIO (FRA) - 60.13 Short Program
8. Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA) - 58.28 Short Program, 2nd Copy
9. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 57.40 Short Program
 
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auser

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I hear what you are saying and do find my self both excited by the men's quad in the short program and worried! I would really, really hate to imagine worlds this year without Dai.
No Dai, I will cry:no:
 

DannyCurry

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Amodio too... And with no jump + one spin missing he still manage not to finish last. 13.85 pt for two falls... Thanks wonderful COP.
Under 6.0 this would never happen. Let's not talk about Amodio 7 in performance/execution for his worst skate ever. Or 7.4 for empty choreo.

I sooo agree with you! Got to the arena just on time to see his complete meltdown. Didn't know by then how the other guys had skated, but still thought Amodio's marks were too high.

OTOH, I luuurved Jeremy's program. I don't mind if he went quadless, his transitions and musicality make up for that. Terrific performance, in my opinion. Hope he can make it in the long as well.
 

wonderlen3000

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Nov 8, 2008
Ironically, there is a chance that Daisuke Takahashi may not even make the Japanese world team this year. If that happens, I think many people would be very upset.

Well it really depends on how they all did. Assuming both Dai and Hanyu get into GPF, there is four Japanese skaters including Kazuka and Michida. Of these four, who ever finish the highest will earn a berth to world. Juding from how Dai skated at COC, he needs to up his jumps to be able to match others. Assuming both Hanyu and Kazuko finish a head of Dai, one of them will earn a berth.

But yeah im worry too. But the federation will make sure he is in the team even if he finished out of podium because he qualify for final and based on last season result. They know having Dai is a big fat rating for the TV.
 

Mrs. P

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Well it really depends on how they all did. Assuming both Dai and Hanyu get into GPF, there is four Japanese skaters including Kazuka and Michida. Of these four, who ever finish the highest will earn a berth to world. Juding from how Dai skated at COC, he needs to up his jumps to be able to match others. Assuming both Hanyu and Kazuko finish a head of Dai, one of them will earn a berth.

But yeah im worry too. But the federation will make sure he is in the team even if he finished out of podium because he qualify for final and based on last season result. They know having Dai is a big fat rating for the TV.

Are they doing the GPF final best qualifier as a berth placement this year? I thought they did away with that after 2010.
 

let`s talk

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Sep 10, 2009
No Dai, I will cry:no:
Don't worry, darling, you won't need to. Worlds, even in Canada, without the major male skater would be indeed some blah. Some people simply want an easy victory to their home guy in his country, that's why they wish the worst to one of his main rivals. Not that's I am surprised much with their pettiness, not to say that they dragged Dai to bash him in the competition thread where he is not competing. The stupidest thinig was to say that Dai won't make Team Japan. Gross ignorance of some sofa specialist who has zero idea what the brands "Mao" and "Dai" mean in Japan and for television. Pehaps he/she thinks they mean as "much" as his/her Idol in his homeland. Or that desperate attempt of another poster who kept typing in each post more than once that Dai doesn't have good competitive progs, as if it will come true of he/she types it a lot. The funniest part is that he/she did it in comparison to Abbott, whose SP is some clownish baby hollywood tough guy and his FS is basically pretty much the same stuff as his last season's FS. Dai doesn't have a quadless SP and will challenge a quad in his both progs, twice in LP, as he said more than once. Therefore all this rant about a quadless SP from Dai is one more pathetic move of his haters. He wasn't good in CoC in general, where he changed the boots right before the event. So his team assured the media that they will do their best to deal with this issue by NHK. :)
 
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That's a needlessly mean and foolish criticism of Abbott, if you ask me. He's out there doing the best he can, like everyone else.
 

Art&Sport

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No Dai, I will cry:no:

Ahhh, I don't think Dai will perform badly at the rest of end of year comps unless he has injury problems. He is known to step up to the plate and be strong under pressure. I just don't think his programs are as magical as they were last season, but that doesn't mean they are completely horrible.

Machida has performed well on the GP, BUT he does not have a strong quad, and Oda is simply not a well-rounded skater artistically no matter how much the judges love his jumping ability. For that reason, and because Hanyu and Dai are defending World medalists, I tend to think that the third Japanese spot will be a battle between Machida, Kozuka and Oda. But I believe Kozuka and Machida might have the edge somewhat over Oda (because they are both better than Oda in terms of presentation skills, IMO). As you can see, Mura, IMO will likely not factor in this season in terms of going to Worlds. I'd be very surprised if Mura or Oda were sent over Dai. Machida and Kozuka might have more of a case, but still Dai has more experience and charisma, as well as a bigger following internationally.
 
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spikydurian

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Don't worry, darling, you won't need to. Worlds, even in Canada, without the major male skater would be indeed some blah. Some people simply want an easy victory to their home guy in his country, that's why they wish the worst to one of his main rivals. Not that's I am surprised much with their pettiness, not to say that they dragged Dai to bash him in the competition thread where he is not competing. The stupidest thinig was to say that Dai won't make Team Japan. Gross ignorance of some sofa specialist who has zero idea what the brands "Mao" and "Dai" mean in Japan and for television. Pehaps he/she thinks they mean as "much" as his/her Idol in his homeland. Or that desperate attempt of another poster who kept typing in each post more than once that Dai doesn't have good competitive progs, as if it will come true of he/she types it a lot. The funniest part is that he/she did it in comparison to Abbott, whose SP is some clownish baby hollywood tough guy and his FS is basically pretty much the same stuff as his last season's FS. Dai doesn't have a quadless SP and will challenge a quad in his both progs, twice in LP, as he said more than once. Therefore all this rant about a quadless SP from Dai is one more pathetic move of his haters. He wasn't good in CoC in general, where he changed the boots right before the event. So his team assured the media that they will do their best to deal with this issue by NHK. :)
:laugh: Someone is describing herself!
 

Butterscotch17

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I hear what you are saying and do find my self both excited by the men's quad in the short program and worried! I would really, really hate to imagine worlds this year without Dai.

Worlds without Dai would be so sad! Japanese Nationals will be so hard to watch, I'll be so nervous. There's five real contenders in my opinion - Daisuke, Yuzuru, Takahiko, Nobunari and Tatsuki. I think it will be the first three (in some order), but Tatsuki sure surprised everyone this season.

As for Jeremy, he's never been my favorite. Actually, when I first started watching skating, I found him quite boring to watch. And while his skating still doesn't excite me (although I loved his SP least season), I find myself rooting for him more and more. Partly because I feel a little bad for him, because he just can never seem to put it together when it counts. You know he can do those programs cleanly, and he knows it, too, but when competition comes, he unfortunately often crumbles. So, I do wish the best for him because I know that he can be better than he often shows. As far as winning the SP without a quad, I think it is fine and possibly smart. Why do a quad if he can win this particular SP without one? Maybe for the experience, but had he tried it and failed, he may have finished lower in the standings. I'm all for risk taking, but sometimes playing it safe can pay off.

I hope the podium will be the same skaters as after the SP, but I would like for Brian to move up. Congrats to the top three who all had good performances.
 
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bixby

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Nov 12, 2012
Just realized, with gold here for Jeremy he has a good shot to qualify for the final.
 

Butterscotch17

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"Ice is slippery" by Irina Slutskaya

There is no truer quote than that. It reminds me of Dai's 3 falls win at the most recent Japanese Nationals. Yeah, falling 3 times and still won. But would it happen again? Don't bet on it.

Yeah, but he did have a HUGE lead after his amazing short program. If Yuzuru or Takahiko had been able to put together two clean performances, it probably wouldn't have happened. But Taka was ten points behind Dai after the SP and had a mediocre FS, and Yuzuru had a great free skate, but was something like 20 pts behind Dai after the SP. So it's not like Dai won with three falls and everyone else skated great... Would it happen again? I'm thinking not, but who knows.
 

Butterscotch17

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Just realized, with gold here for Jeremy he has a good shot to qualify for the final.

I don't think so, because he was fifth at Skate America. There are three spots left, and as long as Javier, Daisuke, and Yuzuru all land somewhere on the podium, they would all qualify ahead of Jeremy, correct? If Daisuke or Yuzuru miss the podium, than Jeremy would have a shot, but that would be a surprise. Though, stranger things have happened.
 

Art&Sport

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If Evan comes back, Jeremy will have some real challenge at the U.S. Nationals I think.

You do realize that Jeremy beat Evan twice in winning his first two U.S. National titles? There is no telling what is going to happen at U.S. Nationals. It may end up being who is healthiest, strongest and performs the best on that day. At this point, since Evan is still suffering from injury and hasn't skated in eligible competition for over two years, just because he's "coming back" does not mean he automatically will be the "real challenge" for Jeremy. There are a lot of good U.S. men and U.S. Nationals is a completely different kind of event (a whole 'nother animal) ;), as are most highly competitive Nationals events.

In response to a quote I saw above from spikydurian re what appears to be my comments on Dai: Please note, I am a total fan of Dai's skating and I think he's a great person too! He's also very courageous, with tons of charisma. He's always challenged himself to grow, but this season I don't care as much for his programs -- maybe moreso because his programs last season were so fantastic. Earlier this season, I thought Dai's programs were okay, but I liked them less at his last GP. Maybe Dai's choreo would have fared better this season had he not sought out Morosov's help. However, I suppose Dai was hoping Morosov might help him achieve this season a similar kind of different twist and wonderful success of that famous rockin' Swan program. Unfortunately, that did not happen this time, but the season isn't over yet. And I'm not counting Dai out either. All I said is I don't enjoy his programs as much this season, not that they aren't competitive.
 
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bixby

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I don't think so, because he was fifth at Skate America. There are three spots left, and as long as Javier, Daisuke, and Yuzuru all land somewhere on the podium, they would all qualify ahead of Jeremy, correct? If Daisuke or Yuzuru miss the podium, than Jeremy would have a shot, but that would be a surprise. Though, stranger things have happened.

The "IF" part is the scenario I'm eyeing on. YES, if either Dai or Yuz off the podium and Sergei doesn't finish higher than 3rd, Jeremy is in the final. It's a possibility IF he wins tomorrow and strange things happened @ NHK.
 

Mao88

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Mar 9, 2011
MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

1. Jeremy ABBOTT (USA) - 81.18 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
2. Takahito MURA (JPN) - 76.65 Short program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
3. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 75.46 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
4. Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL) - 68.90 Short Program, 2nd Copy
5. Jinlin GUAN (CHN) - 65.77 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
6. Nan SONG (CHN) - 65.75 Short Program, 2nd Copy
7. Florent AMODIO (FRA) - 60.13 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
8. Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA) - 58.28 Short Program, 2nd Copy
9. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 57.40 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
 
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