Last edited by Mirunna; 11-16-2012 at 12:12 PM.
Newsflash: PCS are to some extent subjective, and sometimes skaters one dislikes will get what will seem like a too-high score. Deal with it or go watch a ski event.
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 11-16-2012 at 12:20 PM.
I disagree. Until the quad is a mandatory element, nothing is wrong with a quadless winner. I prefer a winner who skates clean as opposed to a guy who wins after he wiped out the ice with his rear end following his quad attempt and defeating skaters who put out a clean program.
What is wrong IMO to give too much credit for an unsuccessful quad attempt.
The thing, though, is... Jeremy might not have needed the quad in the SP here - however he will need it later to be competitive. And as far as I've seen, the quad is not something you can take out and put in at will. If you want it to be reasonably consitent. And it's such a hard element, that, to put it in is a big deal, and liable to make the skater nervous... I think you see where I'm going with this? Is it a good thing for Jeremy to have something like that, later, to make him EXTRA nervous... ?
Yuzuru Hanyu 95.07 (51.71; 43.36) (SA)
Javier Fernandez 85.87 (46.41; 39.46) (SC)
Patrick Chan 85.44 (41.62; 43.82) (COR)
Takahito Kozuka 85.32 (45.57;39.75) (SA)
Daisuke Takahashi 84.79 (41.90; 42.89) (COC)
Tatsuki Machida 83.78 (44.16; 39.32) (COC)
Patrick Chan 82.52 (39.81;42.71) (SC)
Nobunari Oda 82.14 (44.61; 37.53) (SC)
Jeremy Abbott 81.18 (40.35; 40.83) (TEB)
Jeremy Abbott 77.71 (37.81; 40.90) (SA)
Konstantin Menshov 76.73 (42.51; 34.22) (COR)
Takahiko Kozuka 76.34 (37.99; 38.35) (COR)
Tatsuki Macida 75.78 (38.65; 37.13)(SA)
Takahito Mura 76.65 (41.15; 35.50) TEB
Brian Joubert 75.46 (38.73; 36.73)
Denis Ten 75.26 (40.22; 36.04) (SC)
Yuzuru Hanyu 51.71 (SA)
Javier Fernandez 46.41 (SC)
Takahito Kozuka 45.57 (SA)
Nobunari Oda 44.61 (SC)
Tatsuki Machida 44.16 (COC)
Konstantin Menshov 42.81 (COR)
Daisuke Takahashi 41.90 (COC)
Patrick Chan 41.62 (COR)
Takahito Mura 41.15 (TEB)
Jeremy Abbott 40.35 (TEB)
Denis Ten 40.22 (SC)
Patrick Chan 39.81 (SC)
Brian Joubert 38.73(TEB)
Tatsuki Machida 38.65 (SA)
Takahiko Kozuka 37.99 (COR)
Jeremy Abbott 37.81 (SA)
Patrick Chan 43.82 (COR)
Yuzuru Hanyu 43.36 (SA)
Daisuke Takahashi 42.89 (COC)
Patrick Chan 42.71 (SC)
Jeremy Abbott 40.90 (SA)
Jeremy Abbott 40.83 (TEB)
Takahito Kozuka 39.75 (SA)
Javier Fernandez 39.46 (SC)
Tatsuki Machida 39.32 (COC)
Takahiko Kozuka 38.35 (COR)
Nobunari Oda 37.53 (SC)
Tatsuki Macida 37.13 (SA)
Brian Joubert 36.73 (TEB)
Denis Ten 36.04 (SC)
Takahito Mura 35.50 (TEB)
Konstantin Menshov 34.22 (COR)
Just thought some data was some good food for thought. So yes, Jeremy, even with strong PCS, is actually below the median as far as top scores among all the men competing so far on the GP.
Last edited by Mrs. P; 11-16-2012 at 01:02 PM.
If Chan does everything well, he has very competitive programs artistically this season, so that will likely keep Chan on the top at GPF and possibly Worlds, unless Fernandez continues to build his presentation skills, stays strong on technique and pulls another fast one against Chan at GPF. Japan Nationals will be a slugfest, but I'm thinking Hanyu, Kozuka and Dai might prevail. I think Hanyu is loved by ISU judges, but he still needs to build maturity and endurance. Kozuka is a strong skater, but I don't think he's a better skater than Jeremy Abbott (despite SA results). Dai doesn't have absolutely great programs this season, and even when he had them last season, the judges were reluctant to reward Dai, plus Dai has shown some vulnerability technically in his last GP. So, once again, I think Jeremy's sp is competitive with the top guys (maybe some think it's a weak program because the music and stylistic approach are not classical, but that shouldn't be the determining factor, IMO). Of course, Jeremy doesn't always get the reputation points because he needs to consistently prove he can do his best under pressure, and he needs a more consistent quad.