Liza's adjusting to her height and weight and it seems like things are starting to fall into place for her. I'm happy to see it!
I agree about Julia. Technically, she's a strong skater in that she has the difficult jump combinations in her programs. In terms of quality...I think she's lacking a bit, for obvious reasons (in terms of jumps). I do think she's over-scored in PCS but that's what judges do when they get excited: PCS go up. I 100% prefer Gao's skating to Julia's...but that's just me. The judges like Julia more and while that sucks for Christina, that just mean she has to do what Ashley did and find a way to push herself to the front and make herself known.
Absolutely delighted for Tuk. What a comeback given all the problems she has had this season. Her injury and growth related problems are now well behind her.
Many congratulations to Ashley. The cleanest program of the night, the best I have ever seen her skate, and the deserved winner. If she can up her technical content, she can break 130. As someone who was a massive Sasha Cohen fan, absolutely thrilled for John Nicks given all the frustration he had to endure trying to get Sasha to put two clean programs together in one competition. Ashley showed well and truly how should be done in this competition. Hope she can get a consistent 3x3 combination together, in which case a gold medal at 2013 Worlds will be within her sights. I don't think Kim Yu Na or Miki will be coming back, my view is that Mao's best days are behind her, the Russian newbies need at least a couple of more years to get their PCS up, and Kostner will be her only real competition (although Akiko has a shot too)
Last edited by Mao88; 11-17-2012 at 03:14 PM.
On a scale of 1-10 how insane am I for enjoying Elizaveta's skate more? I really do feel like I shouldn't.
I'm not discrediting the fact that she had an injury, but is it possible Julia's making mistakes b/c she's in a different environment (ie. senior level skating) and is trying to adjust to the pressure? I mean, look at Adelina. She won everything in 2011 with many clean/near-clean skates...and look at her now. That's not to say the same thing will happen to Julia, only that just b/c you are near perfect as a junior doesn't necessarily mean that level of consistency and ease will transfer to the much more competitive and pressure filled senior level.
I watched Julia last year at both of her JGPs, JGPF, junior worlds...she had ZERO competition when she skated (except Russian nationals). She was blowing skaters out of the water by 25+ points at every competition. Knowing you're that high above your competitors can put you at ease and allow you to just relax and skate. Now Julia is in a position where scores are very close. There is no 10+ point cushion after the SP which means she can't afford to make mistakes...that's where the pressure comes in to skate cleanly. This is something she hasn't had to deal with yet and so that pressure coupled with her own expectations are probably weighing on her, and then skating last doesn't help. She probably knew Ashley and Liza blew their programs out of the water which meant she had NO room for error today. If that was anywhere in her head it could have caused her to get nervous and lose her timing and make as many mistakes as she did.
I say all that to say, yes the injury could have played a part...still, she hit her 3-3 in both programs so it can't have been hurting her that severely. To me, her sub-par performance can probably be attributed to pressure and nerves...
Julia has botched some jumps but she never has a complete meltdown see e.g. headcase Sotnikova, I believe Julia and Liza have the fighting spirit
If you want nerves I think its better to compare the headcase Sotnikova .
Last edited by dorispulaski; 11-19-2012 at 08:19 PM.
Totally agree with you that at this stage, Liza T has much more maturity in her expressiveness than Julia. The problem for Liza right now is that she's adjusting to her new body. Still, underneath her expressiveness, I find Liza a bit cold. With Gao, I feel a lot more warmth, but yes these girls are all very young and have a lot of developing to do yet on the ice.
Re Ashley's technical content: IMO, Ashley skated brilliantly and with great technique. She's pacing herself in a very smart way, IMO. She'll put in the 3/3 when she and her coach feel she's ready. They are not about being desperate and rushing things. Talk about "making a statement" with the judges, Ashley is proving her mettle without a doubt!
BTW, kwanatic, I 99% agree with your #186 post. I think for Julia, it was likely a combination of the injury and the pressure of competing in talented senior field.
Last edited by Art&Sport; 11-17-2012 at 03:23 PM.
but do note Julia is a hardworking skater so it might be hard to convince her, Tutberidze even said when she was injured before finlandia and took a week off she was insisting she be on the ice and train with her left foot instead
Re: Ashley adding difficulty, I'm sure it's in the plans but at this point it's not beneficial to go for tougher content b/c she's winning well with what she has now. It's kind of a Carolina Kostner situation: why add tougher elements which you run the risk of screwing up if what you're doing cleanly is working well? More than that, Ashley's consistent delivery of her 6-triple program is more than what most of her competition is putting out right now anyway which puts her head-and-shoulders above them. I don't think she needs a 3-3 in the FS. If she wanted to up the tech content, the only thing she needs to do is switch the 2a-2t to a 2a-3t...the rest of the program is excellent. She's scored 127+ twice now so if she adds that combination she'd push herself into that incredible 130 range. It'd be great but at this point it's not completely necessary.
Where I would like to see her add the 3-3 is for the SP. In the interest of keeping herself right in the mix and giving herself a boost, that 3f-3t would be what she needs to separate herself from the field even more. The SP was her weak spot so I do think keeping it as is so far has been a good move in terms of helping her build confidence. For the GPF, I'd expect to see her add in that 3-3 b/c the pool of skaters will be deep and most will have 3-3s.
This is why I love Liza so much...she always gives it all not like Adelina...so Tuk with gp and weight problems and not forget injury last mount delivered better than all the russians so proud of her..i had e feeling that will see her in GPF...and I was right!:X World team will be for sure made from Liza Adelina and is btw Leonova and Korobeiynikova!
Did you happen to see Ashley's tweet pre-TEB about her Nike endorsement deal? Yay!
Darn my friend made me drive order to his house to wash cars and I missed some awesome skates. Boooo. I guess I will have to watch the videos when they are up. Nice to hear especially that Liza killed it, considering her struggles earlier this season. Congrats to Ashley!