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Thread: 2012 NHK Men's Short Program SP

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    The judge who gave 3 to Takahashi’s 3A is stupid, but so is the other judge who gave Hanyu 9.25 for his SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niki2012 View Post
    The judge who gave 3 to Takahashi’s 3A is stupid, but so is the other judge who gave Hanyu 9.25 for his SS.


    The +3 for Daisuke's 3A was probably a glitch, a mistake by the judge, most certainly not done on purpose. That is one of the reasons why the highest and lowest GOE is thrown out from the score. You can also explain why you think 9.25 for Hanyu's SS is too high before you call someone stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    Seriously, your guys saw Dai's and Hanyu's programs, and you think a wannabe deserved the same PCS as the real thing?
    Well, not all guys are into real thinigs. That's why the world has Haute Couture and jeans, Cuisine and food, gems and bijouterie, etc. Choosing some lousy blue, especially after Dai's Blues, was indeed the most mocking thing for Yuzu that Orser&Co could come up with. And in case of Hanyu this ridiculous mimicker policy of some manga level wasn't necessary at all since the kid is talanted enough to have his own IT-factor as last season proved. In PCS Hanyu was overscored, the same as in SA, while in fact his components should be closer to Javi. But in the first mark he was considerably better than Dai today and therefore should have won SP anyway, just with a lesser score. I am sure Dai himself and his fans like myself don't want him to win with mistakes over a better skated guy. I'll leave this privilege of misery to the ubers of another skater. In the interview to NHK Dai said that he made some mistakes and didn't skate his potential. Tomorrow he will do his best, he said. While Yuzu on the question about the score said that Orser told him Yuzu had been training more than before (in Sendai) and that's why he can beat Takahashi. Eh? Orser spoke about Dai and no Javi, who actually sends him paycheck too? If the coach doesn't consider Javi as Yuzu's rival, then what the Spanish is supposed to do I wonder. He was so lonely in K&C. Also, baby Yuzu, no need to repeat some stupid things on camera, even if your coach told them to you. It's possible to get famous overnight, it's even more possible to lose people's love way faster. Follow your seniors' example and you'll be fine.
    Voronov was a little underscored I guess. Judges probably don't like that hangover-ed sailor-on-leave dancing in yesterday's shirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    YUZURU !!!!
    My Prince is now A KING !

    love the commentators: I hope Patrick Chan is watching this, lol
    The way people are talking and judges are giving out marks Patrick might as well retire I guess. Hanyu is younger and has more room for growth. But I do wonder if the scores like at in other home natins are a bit inflated. Hanyu is great and he has improved artisitcally but I do think he is one of the most overmarked skaters. With all the anit Chan and Chanflation I think we have to be fair. Hanyu should be treated the same on this board if we were fair; he is great but his skating skills are really not as good as Chan or Tak - yet.

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    If Dai, Hanyu and Chan skated clean I would have Dai and chan neck and neck and then Hanyu. Technically they are about the same but pc wise Dai and chan should be given the edge if hey skated their best. This is realistic - to say dai and chan could skate clean whereas say in the freeskate to say "if Javier skated his best"...well his best would probably not be a totally clean long. I know it is hard to be so objective as we have our faves. People seem to like or hate Chan and the Hanyu lovers are really strong advocates. the freeskate will tell. Can Hanyu handle the pressure. Can Javier show he can hold it together? Will Tak show he wants to be the no. 1 Japanese man. And which American man will step up and say he is a contender for the national title. And on a side note, is it time for Kevin Reynolds to make a drastic move or retire. His mediocre performances witht he consistent falls and lack of artistic and skating skill development are really sad. He's almost the Jenna McCorkell of Canada. I skate on because my competition in my nation sucks (oops that sounds so harsh).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    The way people are talking and judges are giving out marks Patrick might as well retire I guess. Hanyu is younger and has more room for growth. But I do wonder if the scores like at in other home natins are a bit inflated. Hanyu is great and he has improved artisitcally but I do think he is one of the most overmarked skaters. With all the anit Chan and Chanflation I think we have to be fair. Hanyu should be treated the same on this board if we were fair; he is great but his skating skills are really not as good as Chan or Tak - yet.
    well Yuzuru's PCS isnt't at par yet with Chan or Dai but almost non fans can't deny Yuzuru has huge impovements this season
    I actually would put his PCS higher, you want Reynolds to retire ? he has great musicality and has better prospects, you must have confused Reynolds for Rogozine ?

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    OMG! Great job guys!!

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    Hanyu: 53.03+42.29=5.32
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIq2jyLJZM

    Takahashi: 45.07+42.40=87.47
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-MPPbLvdzc

    Fernandez: 46.80+39.43=86.23
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoTXTc_TltI

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    Well, Yuzuru got 43.36 in PCS at SA, so I wouldn't call his 42.29 here inflated. But people just seem to love the home inflatation argument.

    Anyway, I'm soooooo happy for Javi, Yuzu and Dai!
    Dai wasn't at his best, but way better than CoC. Javi went clean and performed nicely, but I just can't seem to really get into his program.
    And of cousre the highlight was Yuzuru with that amazing performance. Everything looked great, I liked it more than SA and I was so curious to see if he really would get such a high score again.
    I think the score is fair. Javi has the same jumping content, but Yuzuru won it on GOE, plus his better spins. And his speed is so much better too.

    Now I'm so excited for the free!!

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    I LOVE Hanyu's 3A! Such difficult and unique entrance! I still think Dai's skating skills is way better than Hanyu. I don't think Hanyu's performance level is that great yet. Javier didn't get the character yet, that's not sharp enough to portrait Zorro, a bit too heavy in movement. When his skating skill is up to the level, he will be there. All in all, I think the placement is right. Good job everybody.

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    Dai (NHK channel), check at 4:45-5:00 the audience reaction.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bfadukADo

    Also, NHK uploaded some vids on their site (in case they remove them from youtube )
    http://www1.nhk.or.jp/figure/movies/index.html
    Last edited by let`s talk; 11-23-2012 at 11:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    ITA with your every assessment, especially about Ricky. Only if he could up his darn consistency:(
    Is Ricky turning into a headcase now? The chance to become the number one man in the US is right in his plate and he acts like he doesn't want it. Abbott is near the end i think and Miner just isn't ever going to be a champion internationally and Rippon well the less said the better. Until the new guys show they are ready Dornbush should be in a better spot heading into Sochi then he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Well, Yuzuru got 43.36 in PCS at SA, so I wouldn't call his 42.29 here inflated. But people just seem to love the home inflatation argument.

    Anyway, I'm soooooo happy for Javi, Yuzu and Dai!
    Dai wasn't at his best, but way better than CoC. Javi went clean and performed nicely, but I just can't seem to really get into his program.
    And of cousre the highlight was Yuzuru with that amazing performance. Everything looked great, I liked it more than SA and I was so curious to see if he really would get such a high score again.
    I think the score is fair. Javi has the same jumping content, but Yuzuru won it on GOE, plus his better spins. And his speed is so much better too.

    Now I'm so excited for the free!!
    ITA! Yuzuru's skate was flawless! So much talent in the men's field! Setting up to be an amazing Olympics in Sochi!

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    Just watched the 3 videos, 9 points between Hanyu and Fernández seems exaggerated to me and Fernández should be in second place in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treeloving View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=MllNHGGKkGw

    Yuzuru is sublime, the best SP he ever skated, his expression in this performance is as good as Daisuke (became the music) + super difficult program + super entrance to jump+ big jump + big support from hometown audience!

    I'm dying of happiness!

    BTW, I think he should get better PCS
    Right on!

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