2012 NHK Trophy Mens Free Skate

**Mrs. P** · 11-24-2012, 02:30 AM

Is Voronov a flutzer? I noticed he has no 3Z.

**sequinsgalore** · 11-24-2012, 02:30 AM

Voronov
144.85 (SB), total 214.88 (SB) and into 1st

**FlattFan** · 11-24-2012, 02:31 AM

Looking at these American men, suddenly I'm wondering what happened to Mroz? Is he done? Haven't seen him in the GP series.

**samson** · 11-24-2012, 02:31 AM

But couldn't he take out one of the double toes in his axel combos and turn that into a triple toe somewhere? Lord knows he has the ability and he's not doing a triple tow anywhere else. Maybe he's trying to train to have the 3a/3toe by nationals or something.

**bigsisjiejie** · 11-24-2012, 02:32 AM

Dornbush not getting off to a good start.

**sky_fly20** · 11-24-2012, 02:33 AM

, if Miner is the Top American here, its a joke
Dornbush has it all to him to be teh No. 1 US man but why

**sequinsgalore** · 11-24-2012, 02:36 AM

Richard DORNBUSH (USA)

Music: The Wild Ones; Harlem Nocturne; Rooftops

Black pants w/ stripe down the side. Black shirt, black vest w/ silver stripes. Blue band on left upper arm.

2T
4T - fall
3A
StSq
CCoSp
3Lz+3T - 'Rippon' on both
3A+2T+2Lo
3Lo
CSSp
3F
3S
ChSt
FCCoSp

The quad is not there, but the other jumps were solid.

**gold12345** · 11-24-2012, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by samson

But couldn't he take out one of the double toes in his axel combos and turn that into a triple toe somewhere? Lord knows he has the ability and he's not doing a triple tow anywhere else. Maybe he's trying to train to have the 3a/3toe by nationals or something.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Why two 3A-2Ts? Just do a reliable 3-3 somewhere.

**Mrs. P** · 11-24-2012, 02:37 AM

So basically, if he lands both quad toes, he would have to change the 3Z-3T to a 3Z-2T, so not to violate repeating jump rules (in this scenario he repeats 4T and 3A). If he doesn't get the quad, he adds the 3T, repeating the 3A + 3T.

**bigsisjiejie** · 11-24-2012, 02:37 AM

Miner is consistently underappreciated, likely because he hasn't carved an identity or persona for himself yet. Good but bland skating. I think Dornbush could be the top US man...someday, but he's got to get it more consistent. If only he'd nailed those first two jumps in this FS. He was brilliant the year he won the JGPF, but hasn't yet pulled it together in seniors.

**sequinsgalore** · 11-24-2012, 02:38 AM

Dornbush
147.51 (SB), total 217.56 (SB) and into 1st

**sky_fly20** · 11-24-2012, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie

Miner is consistently underappreciated, likely because he hasn't carved an identity or persona for himself yet. Good but bland skating. I think Dornbush could be the top US man...someday, but he's got to get it more consistent. If only he'd nailed those first two jumps in this FS. He was brilliant the year he won the JGPF, but hasn't yet pulled it together in seniors.

exactly, Miner has no appeal on the ice, he is just too boring

**Mrs. P** · 11-24-2012, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie

Miner is consistently underappreciated, likely because he hasn't carved an identity or persona for himself yet. Good but bland skating. I think Dornbush could be the top US man...someday, but he's got to get it more consistent. If only he'd nailed those first two jumps in this FS. He was brilliant the year he won the JGPF, but hasn't yet pulled it together in seniors.

I think Ross Miner is very underrated. He doesn't have that in-your-face skating, but he has very, very good skating skills and just a nice quality about his overall skating. I don't think it's bland at all, I just think that it doesn't stand out because it's more subtle. Subtle =/= boring.