11-24-2012, 12:16 PM
11-24-2012, 12:21 PM
I think that Suzuki should have won and it seemed to me that Mao had same thoughts... Of course Mao had a big lead after the sp, but still some of her PCS were a bit inflated and Suzuki´s were not as high as she would have deserved (choreography and performance).
11-24-2012, 12:28 PM
Wow, I can't believe someone brought up Yakuza (an infamous mafia like gang in Japan) and Nancy Kerrigan-esque "accident"...
Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie
11-24-2012, 12:30 PM
I know and respect everyone has their own opinions. And yes, even Goe's are subject to interpretation as are all marks. But the system allows for someone TES flawed to possibly win. The COP system is just too complicated even for us diehards. I think Chan has got an unfair rap. I am guilty of it because I repeat myself - but mind you everyone else does the same. Sometimes we put so much into a jump as people but remember in the case of NHK Mao had a huge lead and she lost by a lot in the freeskate. She just had too big of a lead. But the marking system allows for someone TES weaker to still do well or win. In the legal world it is often frowned upon that district attornye or for that matter any lawyer but especially the prosecutor not criticize the judge as to influence them. WE have to be careful booing, blogs, websites like this does not intimidate judge - they are suppose to be free of partisan and control their biases but ironically by yelling and screaming too loudly and too voiciferously that could destroy the sport. So the very complaints many have may only be perpetuated or in short, we look like hypocrites. We say judges are blind or bias and then we influence them. I am not sure how do you judge a good edge versus a good quad? I know this will be an unpopular approach but I think we need to consider that. And in many ways we are all rational to ourselves and irrational to those who disagree. (Guilty here) We have our favourites; sometimes you read these posts and it is obviously who likes who and sometimes it is "rationalized" by the poster but it is their positon or thoughts and other time it just sounds like for no reason they like so and so. Sadly in many ways there is only one gold medal and three podium spots (usually lol). Like my mom taught me - what is fair is in the eye of the beholder. I guess our happiness and the skater's happiness shouldn't be in the results made by the judges. Life has to go on....
Originally Posted by Jammers
11-24-2012, 12:37 PM
Judges everywhere happily handed Akiko low marks. What am I missing here? I wonder what deficiencies they saw in her skating?
It wasn't just NHK. It was at virtually every single competition she was in. Her PCS never reflected what she did.
I think Mao won because she was up against someone who consistently got low marks. If she went up against Kiira or Carolina who skated that kind of programs, she would lose easily.
Anyway, someone said Shizuka would skate Akiko's program better than she did. I disagree. As much as I love Shizuka, I think she's just too stoic and regal to skate this program. Just one look at the Swan program she did a few years ago and see the difference.
11-24-2012, 12:46 PM
It doesn't matter that Mao lost the free skate. The score she got for it was amazing and astounding and lots of others probably would have fallen off the podium because of all the doubles and singles. The entirety of goe and pcs probably would have been reduced for other skaters. But Mao got an astounding and great score.
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
11-24-2012, 12:49 PM
Agree... It seems to me that Akiko is not underscored, but other skaters are overscored to edge her out.
Originally Posted by Rachmaninoff
11-24-2012, 12:52 PM
Yes, Mao's short program was a joy to watch and I did like it very much. But it was still overrated. 63-4 points would have been sufficient with less GOEs.
Originally Posted by mary01
11-24-2012, 12:56 PM
I realized that Asada got no < either in SP or in FS. The 3F in SP was certainly UR and so was the 3Lo+2Lo+2Lo in FS. The tech panel was so lenient to her.
11-24-2012, 12:59 PM
I agree. Mao's PCS shouldn't have been higher than Suzuki's because of the overall performance, but I can still tolerate their PCS. What I really don't understand is the TES that became way too high because of the GOEs on so many not-so-well-excuted elements. I actually feel bad for Mao because of her high score. She is clearly not happy with her poor performance, and unjustly high scores adds to her unhappiness. On top of that, she has to deal with embarrassment.
Originally Posted by jChamp
11-24-2012, 01:04 PM
I love her skills, work ethics and presentation, too, but I also like her personality. She is not proud or pretentious. I want to adopt her for my country :P
Originally Posted by Nadia01
11-24-2012, 01:07 PM
This, I agree completely and that's why I like Akiko despite my nationality (and hers).
Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu
11-24-2012, 01:15 PM
I agree with you 100% She won both COC and NHK with only 3 triples. At least, I didn't feel bad about COC result, because I still thought her performance was not really worse than Julia (Julia was better technically but Mao was better in other ways, so I couldn't really pick one of them, but somebody had to win, so Mao might have been a better choice than Julia) But this time, Mao not only did just 3 triples, but also doubled or singled other jumps. At least in COC she did all the triples even though they were underrotated and downgraded, which means, her performance at COC was much better than at NHK.
Originally Posted by gmyers
But then, sadly her winning is not her fault :(
11-24-2012, 01:26 PM
But the issue is did Mao have a big enough lead even with the errors and I don't know skating well enough - of course your comments appear to be Mao related my other discussion does raise some truths probably.
Originally Posted by gmyers
11-24-2012, 01:26 PM
no way her 3lo-2lo-2lo was clean and beautifully executed! by the way I love loop jumps in general it really is a beautiful jump, especially Mao 3lo!
Originally Posted by mikeko666