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    Hypothetical "6.0" competition

    I'd like to put together a group of programs for comparison in a hypothetical 6.0 competition -- you decide how you think they should be ranked -- for purposes of discussing what we each value or think should be valued in deciding competitions. The examples would be chosen to display some clear contrasts in strengths and weaknesses; therefore there will be no examples that contain the full package of high technical level, high artistic level, and clean inspired performance.

    There's no right answer -- I'm just curious about what we think should matter most. And if we reach a consensus, then what would be the best approach to scoring to encourage skaters to develop those strengths and judges to reward them?

    Let me know if you think you would be interested in participating.

    There are a few different ways I could set this up -- let me know what you think would work best:

    1) I make up the skaters and their programs and give verbal descriptions of the overall qualities throughout the program along with details about the jumps.

    2) I choose videos real, known skaters from the past, but I mix up the sources of the programs across different eras or other contexts.

    3) I select videos of real but not well-known skaters, e.g., from the ISU JGP channel (which would mean current competitors).


    Which discipline(s) would you be most interested in looking at?

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    I think #3 would be the most interesting. We already have our prejudices about the programs of famous skaters of the past.

    Either men or ladies.

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    #3 would be the best

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    I agree that we'll get the best results from watching real performances by unfamiliar skaters.

    I'm a little leery about discussing the weaknesses of currently competing teenagers in a public forum. Should I go back to choose videos from more obscure competitions several years back, so at least the skaters would all be adults by now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    I agree that we'll get the best results from watching real performances by unfamiliar skaters.

    I'm a little leery about discussing the weaknesses of currently competing teenagers in a public forum. Should I go back to choose videos from more obscure competitions several years back, so at least the skaters would all be adults by now?
    We could always just refer to them by number (and just hyperlink the program to those numbers).

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    OK, that could work.

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    How about picking from the 2011-2012 season JGP rather than the 2012-2013 season on ISUJGP2011 channel?

    If we use this season, I can't play, because I watched almost all of those programs

    Last year, I didn't, so I could play.

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    Yeah, I'll use 2011-12.

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    I am happy to take part as well.

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    Delurking to say I'd like to play, too.

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    Welcome, Wilhelmina. Post often, post long!

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    I can't promise to play along, but will read - this is an interesting topic and really useful for thinking about scoring as well as fan reaction for those of us who react on boards like this.

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    I will try to participate as well. Very creative idea!

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    OK, here are two warmup groups worth of ladies’ freeskates taken from several different 2011 JGP events. Because they were not all skating against each other in front of the same panels of officials, there is no right answer as to how they “should” each rank against each other. Since the names are on the videos, if you're curious you can always go find the protocols from the respective events and check how these performances each scored under IJS.

    I’ve chosen these particular programs to avoid skaters who have already attracted a lot of attention among fans, to avoid skaters who don’t really look ready for junior competition, and to show some clear contrasts between skaters and within individual skaters’ skills.

    I recommend choosing either Group 1 or Group 2 to judge, although you’re welcome to do both if you want to challenge yourself.

    Please do not read other posters’ rankings or explanations before you have come up with your own.

    Remember this is first and foremost a skating contest. Jumps count, performance counts, and so does the content and quality of what each skater is doing with her blades on the ice throughout the program. And any other skills you think are important.

    How do you weigh each skater’s strengths and weaknesses against each other?

    What are the considerations that you would take into account, or think that judges should take into account, in ranking the programs by 6.0-based ordinals? What aspects do you think should be given significant weight in a score-based judging system such as the current IJS -- whether you think they now receive sufficient weight or not?

    Feel free to use the IJS scoring tools as guides or to ignore them and rely on your understanding of how freeskates were judged under 6.0.

    Please discuss. Have fun.

    Group 1
    Skater 1
    Skater 2
    Skater 3
    Skater 4
    Skater 5
    Skater 6
    * * * * *
    Group 2
    Skater 7
    Skater 8
    Skater 9
    Skater 10
    Skater 11
    Skater 12
    Last edited by gkelly; 11-30-2012 at 12:52 AM.

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    But, sorry, do we have to write the marks we would give or just explain how we would judge them?

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