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Thread: Russia requests two Olympic spots for Men regardless of Worlds outcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    I don't like this!!!
    I'm actually really surprised you said this. Why don't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    meh, if it puts butts in the seats, I say let 'em.
    Agreed. Competitions with loads of empty seats are depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    I'm actually really surprised you said this. Why don't you?
    I think because if Russia wants 2 spots, they have to EARN them!

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    So, is it more plausible to assume that Plushy would make it to Euros but not Worlds? :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    So, is it more plausible to assume that Plushy would make it to Euros but not Worlds? :(
    100%! And I don't understand why, because Russia needs him at Worlds to get the two spots!

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    I hope they let them have 2 spots in men at Olympics so maybe Japan can have like 5 spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmos View Post
    I hope ISU accepts Russia's request.

    And, I hope ISU will give 1 men's spots and 1 dance spot to Korea in 2018, no matter Worlds outcome.
    As the OP said, the host nation gets one, but I'm not sure if the TES rule would apply. However, Korea has a promising junior dance pair training in Russia; they might well be ready for 2018.

    Rebeka KIM / Kirill MINOV
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00054325.htm

    They were 6th recently at NRW Trophy Junior Dance.

    Also Jin Seo Kim, a Korean junior skater who has several more years of junior eligibility, scored a bronze medal at one of his JGP events and a fourth place at the other. It's not at all far fetched that he might qualify for 2018 without the benefit of special ISU interventions.
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00013480.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    100%! And I don't understand why, because Russia needs him at Worlds to get the two spots!
    I believe it has to do with the length of time that he'd have to be at peak condition - plus also that he'd risk getting two GP assignments next year, which would mean an even longer season, and his goal is the Olympics.

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    I'm sorry but if Russian Men are not good enough for to earn two Men for Sochi then they don't deserve them.

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    Well, I guess this explains why Plushenko has felt no urgency about skating at Worlds this year. I definitely disagree with them getting another spot; as stated, there is no precedence or legitimate reason for this. If they get it, it'll only be because of politics. Shameless request in my opinion from the Russian federation, but not surprising, considering some of their other moves the last few years.

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    Hell the US could have sent 4 or 5 women to some past Olympics but you didn't see them begging for more spots. Can you imagine if this was the US asking for this?
    Last edited by Jammers; 12-07-2012 at 08:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    I think because if Russia wants 2 spots, they have to EARN them!
    of course..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    Hmmm... I don't know what to think, to be honest.

    However, I presume this would set some kind of precedent for all host countries?
    Think this way: What if an Olympic host country doesn't have a single spot, say in men's competition? Can the people of the host country accept that fact? If we can accept and live with that, then we should not change the rule to allow Russia to have an additional spot. Otherwise, let it be. So every host country could get that privilege. Somewhere down the road, there might be some other host country might have no spot or only one spot.

    I personally think we should not allow it. Especially Russia has one spot already. What if that additional spot enabled the host country get two out of the three spots on the Olympic podium?!
    Last edited by Bluebonnet; 12-07-2012 at 01:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Think this way: What if an Olympic host country doesn't have a single spot, say in men's competition? Can the people of the host country accept that fact? If we can accept and live with that, then we should not change the rule to allow Russia to have an additional spot. Otherwise, let it be. So every host country could get that privilege. Somewhere down the road, there might be some other host country might have no spot or only one spot.

    My personally think we should not allow it. Especially Russia has one spot already. What if that additional spot allowed the host country got two out of the three spots on the Olympic podium?!
    Good point.

    This has got to be all about Plushy. They want a spot to insert their superstar who has to carefully train around his injuries and who has a limited number of competitions within which he can risk his health.

    On the other hand, Russia DOES has one spot and merit-wise their skaters are just not there (the ones who are competing regularly). Merit-wise, even at one, they have more than enough spots.

    I have trouble taking Plushy as a serious challenger for podium, but I do think, even if he is not, he will put on a great show. (And part of me just thinks that he deserves to be there based on what he has done for the sport.) But what if they decide to just put in another one of their clunkers instead of Plushy? And then, even if Plushy is plunked into the competition, what effect will the second skater have on the competition?

    Leave them the one spot they already have, and let them deal with the Plushy issue themselves. It's their mess, not anyone else's.

    If I feel sorry for anyone regarding spots, it is for the Japanese male skaters who have the talent to compete, but are not allowed to.

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    I think what Russia did is kind of desperate. Apparently it is aiming to ensure 2 spots for men since other disciplines they are strong enough to have two spots.

    They really should just ask ISU to grant a permission to allow anyone who holds more than one Olympics medals to compete as a wild card skater regardless of the country:D I mean sure you will have extra skaters compete, but how many Olympics medalists (the one who has multiple medals) are still playing?

    Just joking but

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    I think because if Russia wants 2 spots, they have to EARN them!
    This.

    I really have nothing else to add. If a country isn't performing well enough in a certain discipline to earn a second Olympic or world spot, then they only get one. That's how it's always worked, for all countries. Why should they get an exception? Because they're Russia? I hope the request is denied.

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