Currently re-airing the ladies SP, fyi.
As much as I love Mao I must say that the scoring at this competition was really unfair. Her triple floop was CLEARLY underrotated and should've received <. Why didn't the technical specialist give her the < sign? On purpose or just overlooked it? Mao should be behind Ashley and Akiko.
Anyway, I think it would be great to see some difficult jump combinations (3/3) and triples from ladies, regardless of how you feel about CaroK, YunaK, or MichelleK. It's always good to see skaters push themselves.
Last edited by Nadia01; 12-07-2012 at 08:55 AM.
I'm glad Kiira was able to compete. I haven't had a chance to read through the thread, so I don't know how everyone did, just how everyone ended up in the rankings, but from the results I'm feeling bad about Liza in her home country. Good for Ashley, Mao, and Akiko, though!
Again, whether Kim does the triple loop or not is not relevant to the question of her programs being "watered-down." Kim does not have the triple loop but she has maintained programs of similar difficulty from one year to the next.
And here you go again with your tendency to rely on hyperbolic rhetoric. Just because someone mentioned Kim or Kostner or Kwan in passing does not mean that "everything in skating" was "bee linked to Kwan and Kim." -.- In fact, you have completely missed the point of the inclusion of these skaters if that's all you can see from the posts.
My response to your ETA: Yes but she did an easier triple toe-triple toe combination. She used to land triple flip-triple toe before in her competitive programs so it only substantiates the claim that her programs have been watered down.
Last edited by calstudent; 12-07-2012 at 09:06 AM.
I agree about it being nice to see more difficult jump content; OTOH, I worry for the skaters' health and there ability to remain in the sport for an extended period of time. Thinking of someone like Kostner, she's grown so much as a performer over the years, and it would be a shame to have her career shortened in pursuit of more difficult jumps. Or Korpi, who has finally made it to the GPF and has lovely programs. Or Akiko, whose breakthrough came at an age where skaters in the past might have been retired. I really like the current trend towards longer careers, and I think it helps the skaters develop as performers. So if doing a bit less on the jump front but with correct technique and care for one's health facilitates this, I'm fine with that.
calstudent, you're still confusing jump difficulty with overall program difficulty. It is possible for a skater to do something of perhaps lesser difficulty in terms of jumps but incorporate more challenging non-jump elements and other program content.
Lol whatever, if you are an one-upper, the kind of person who-always-has-to-get-his-last-say, I couldn't care less. I'm done arguing over this. I think we both know - whether you'd like to admit it or not - that Carolina's programs, by the most strict and stringent definition of the phrase "watered-down", have been "watered-down"; PC "turn to more conservative jump layout."
For me Ashley is solid and consistent but not memorable in any way to be honest. The great skaters take your breath away which Ashley more often then not doesn't. For me at least.
But I'm a bit torn about the longevity v. difficult jumps.
It is true that skaters who tend to perform difficult jumps w/ more rotations tend to get injured more. OTOH -- if we go for longevity and start to go for easier jumps & technical content so that skaters can become performers, figure skating cannot be considered a sport and ought to be banned from the Olympics. Without difficult technical content, FS is a fun performance event...or some kind of musical concert-esque event, but not a sport. Sports require athletes to do more -- to be faster, higher and stronger.
For example, I think it'll be very disappointing to see men take 15 seconds for the 100m sprint event to spare their joints (and thereby avoiding injuries & increasing their longevity) because it's no longer exciting. Of course, FS is not like running, but I still think that skaters need to advance the sport if they want to be competitive. If they want to go for just performance or longevity, they can retire from competitive skating and do ice shows, which is a perfectly valid option for skaters no longer interested in competing.
Instead of the value being 1st jump + 2nd jump for 3/3, it should be (1st jump + 2nd jump) * 1.1 for 3/3 for ladies. Meaning, you get 10% bonus for the triple-triple combo. That will get more of them to do it if they want to edge out their competitors.
Maybe it says something that Kostner had to water down her jumps to be more consistent. That tells me she's not a great skater if she has to do that.