Not related to any particular post, but the stuff about Tessa's weight is obnoxious. Do we really want ice dance to be all about tiny thin girls? Tessa looks healthy and strong, and the key is how to work with the size difference they have in the best possible way, rather than trying to recapture what they did in the past when she was slimmer. We've seen teams with similar/smaller size differences manage just fine. If Morgan Cipres can lift 1.67m Vanessa James in pairs, and the Kerrs managed nice-looking lifts despite a tiny height difference, Scott and Tessa can surely work something out. Maybe the time has come for them to do a reverse lift! They can look to Hurtado/Diaz for inspiration...
Your post and chuckm's post were different. My post was meant clarify what chuckm meant by "heavy". Since I found out from a later poster that you had made a comment earlier using "heavy" in a different context to describe her skating, I added an ETA simply because I felt that Dance Fanatic's last sentence very well could have been directed towards you; which then I could not use my explanation of muscle hypertrophy, now could I?
Last edited by aftertherain; 12-09-2012 at 02:16 PM.
V/M were the first team to score straight +3s on all their lifts and did so at the Olympics. I'd argue that alone means they've "set a standard for great lifts."
I love Meryl Davis and charlie Whites new fs it's truly beautiful, i loved their interpretation, the theme, the connection they had throughout the whole performance, i felt soo captivated watching them, couldn't take my eyes away!
I really like this Carmen and while usually I look at Scott, this time Tessa steals the show.
And they have trained with Cirque du Soleil really?
All the Canton teams had some sessions with Cirque back just after V&M and D&W moved to seniors, the second season they were in seniors I think. AFAIR, it was reported in IN.
All three lifts from Tessa and Scott got all +3 and all +1.50 GOE (the highest you can get).
That said, Meryl and Charlie were not that far behind. Their combined straight line/rotational lift got +1.40 GOE and got +2 (4 out of 9 judges) and +3 (5 out of 9 judge). Their second straight line lift and rotational lift got +1.50 GOE and got +3 from 7 out of the 9 judges (straight line) and 8 out of 9 judges for the rotational lift.
But let's talk about THIS season.
Here's how D/W have scored so far on their lifts in the FD.
Rotational lift (1)
SA: Level 4; + 1.50 GOE; 5.50 total
NHK: Level 4 + 1.43 GOE ; 5.43 total
GPF: Level 4 + 1.50 GOE; 5.50 total
SA: Level 4; +.83 GOE 4.83 total
NHK: Level 4 + 1.21 5.21 total
GPF: Level 4 + 0.83 4.83 total
Straight line lift
SA: Level 4; +.92 GOE 4.92 total
NHK: Level 4; + 1.43 GOE 5.43 total
GPF: Level 4 + .92 GOE 4.92 total
Rotational lift (2)
SA: Level 4 +1.33 GOE 4.33 total
NHK: Level 4 +1.36 GOE 5.36 total
GPF: Level 4 + 1.33 GOE 5.33 total
SA: +.55 GOE .75 total
NHK: +.80 GOE 1.00 total
GPF: + .55 GOE .75 total
Total lift scores
Here's V/M scores:
SC: Level 4 + 1.00 5.00 total
COR: Level 4 + 1.07 5.07 total
GPF: Level 4 + 1.14; 5.14 total
Straight line/Rotational lift
SC: Level 4 + 2.43 10.43
COR Level 4 + 2.14 10.14
GPF: Level 4 +2.57; 10.57
SC: Level 4 + 1.14 5.14
COR Level 4 + 1.07 5.07
GPF: Level 4 +1.43 5.43
SC: +0.66 GOE = .86 total
COR +0.37 GOE = .57 total
GPF: + 0.29 GOE = .49 total
Total lift score:
V/M edges D/W in the GPF, but on average, it's still REALLY close. While some (including myself) may not care for the positions V/M does in their FD, as far as the ACTUAL judging, V/M haven't been really marked too much for it.
Last edited by Mrs. P; 12-09-2012 at 10:30 PM.
I've gotta ask, why do you refer to the choreographic lift as a level four for D/W and not for V/M when there is no level assigned period?
Tessa is perfect and I agree with those who say they can work on lifts that are more fluid and fitting to their style and height/size differential. They're the Olympic champions for crying out loud--they don't need to do anything beyond step on the ice and do what they do best--they certainly don't need to "keep up the Joneses" on lifts or any other element. Truthfully, I never even thought of it that way but it does seem apparent now that we're talking about it.
Congrats to Davis and White! I'm thrilled that they got massive marks all over this competition--that's such a boost for the second half of the season. So far though, I still like the NHK version of their free dance the best! I still think they're late getting into the last 3 lifts though--they were late hitting the two big musical cues so that was kind of "eh." I love them though--way to hold on to the title and put the heat on V/M! It's just nuts how they trade titles back and forth, back and forth!