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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    She may have had to do exercises to strengthen other muscles in her body to help keep her from overstraining her legs. She is very buff-looking now, and muscle tissue is heavy.
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    Those who think Virtue is heavy must admire anorexics.
    Dance Fanatic, I don't know if you had mistaken chuckm's post, but I'll assume you might have. Muscle tissue is heavier after it undergoes hypertrophy (increase in muscle fiber size) due to something like strength training:

    But, essentially, [Virtue] upped the ante in off-ice workouts from her already-rigorous regimen and altered some basic mechanics of her skating stroke — which few skaters in their 15th year of competition ever do.

    “We tried to focus on taking the load off my calves, activating and recruiting different muscles,” Virtue told The Spectator.


    http://www.thespec.com/sports/articl...e-for-the-pain
    She's not overweight, which you may have meant, but she did up her exercise regimen which indubitably increased muscle diameter ("bigger") and muscle strength.

    Is she fat? Heck no.

    Heavy has a lot of different connotations, but this time, it wasn't used in a "fat" context. It was used more in a "she's stronger" context.

    ("Heavy" doesn't necessarily translate to "overweight". I mean, you wouldn't call a UFC fighter with tons of muscle overweight without hesistation, would you? BMI is just a little obscure in that way.)

    Besides, muscle hypertrophy is less pronounced in women than in men. She really doesn't look that much more buff and it's nice to see that the changes in her strength training allowed her to forgo surgery in her legs.

    ETA: BUT if you said this in response to let`s talk, then I am not defending that person.
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    I know Tessa gained a bit of weight, but am I the only one who thought Scott looked SMALLER than he used to be? When he was standing by the boards getting ready to go, he looked miniscule!

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    I think let's talk probably meant that Tessa looked heavy on the ice which is different from saying she looks like a cow. Of course, being new, I could be giving the benefit of the doubt to someone who doesn't deserve it. Oh well.

    Edit: After reading the comment again and reviewing a bit of post history, I retract the above. Not cool, let's talk, not cool.
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    I believe the term is 'Hollywood fat.'

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    Tessa is muscular, and that allows her to actually skate and not have constant leg problems. I think Scott does a pretty good job of proving that you can still do very athletic, high quality lifts without having a big size difference. The fact that Tessa is not unnaturally thin like some of the others is refreshing to me. Poor Meryl looks like she could use a good meal, although her size does allow them to execute the lifts with more ease. I think that because so many skaters are unnaturally thin (or prepubescent), our minds actually start to believe that is "normal size". It's not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    Tessa was really skinny at the Olympics but maybe this is her normal weight which is NOT overweight.
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Tessa was 20 then. That was also before she had all the problems with her legs. She may have had to do exercises to strengthen other muscles in her body to help keep her from overstraining her legs. She is very buff-looking now, and muscle tissue is heavy.
    I emphatically agree that Virtue does not look overweight and appears to be very fit.
    (As an aside, a reminder that her leg problems started well before the 2010 Olympics. She missed the 2008 GP season because of her first surgery.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dance Fanatic View Post
    Ever since they trained with Cirque Du Soleil, difficult acrobatic lifts have been one of Virtue and Moirs strengths. The skating world particularely admired the beautiful positions of Tessa Virtue. Other ice dancers strive to emulate their lifts their lifts, not the other way around. The chorio lift in Carmen is not acrobatic just awkward to enter.
    The height difference between them is fairly standard (between 5 and 6 inches) as pictures taken beside other dancers show. Toomuch height difference is hought to be a detriment in dance and some skaters have been marked down because of it. Those who think Virtue is heavy must admire anorexics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dance Fanatic View Post
    Ever since they trained with Cirque Du Soleil, difficult acrobatic lifts have been one of Virtue and Moirs strengths. The skating world particularely admired the beautiful positions of Tessa Virtue. Other ice dancers strive to emulate their lifts their lifts, not the other way around. The chorio lift in Carmen is not acrobatic just awkward to enter.
    The height difference between them is fairly standard (between 5 and 6 inches) as pictures taken beside other dancers show. Toomuch height difference is hought to be a detriment in dance and some skaters have been marked down because of it. Those who think Virtue is heavy must admire anorexics.
    Not all acrobatic lifts are "wonderful." Note that V&M made a number of changes in their FD. They got rid of that awful opening lift where I called Virtue's position similar to a "sack of potatoes" and the crotch lift has been minimized, even though it is still there. The last lift is still problematic IMHO. So I don't think V&M set any "standard" for great lifts.

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    I wish the moderators of this board would ban all comments on female skaters' weight. Some may argue that skaters' relative weights affect lifts and jumps and are therefore a legitimate topic. But the comments are often so mean-spirited and rude, and they ignore important physical and mental health issues surrounding the subject of weight. I don't think this sensitive and complex issue is intelligently addressed with comments like "So-and-so is heavy!" "No, she isn't!"

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    Some British Eurosport vids have surfaced. There wasn't much coverage: D&W's FD (not yet uploaded), V&M's FD, a recap of P&B's FD, and final results

    P&B FD recap Eurosport
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je3yCfQJqjw

    V&M Full FD Eurosport
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTIYowCzhVA

    Final Results FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je3yCfQJqjw

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I wish the moderators of this board would ban all comments on female skaters' weight. Some may argue that skaters' relative weights affect lifts and jumps and are therefore a legitimate topic. But the comments are often so mean-spirited and rude, and they ignore important physical and mental health issues surrounding the subject of weight. I don't think this sensitive and complex issue is intelligently addressed with comments like "So-and-so is heavy!" "No, she isn't!"
    Good suggestion, eyria.

    Coincidentally, the following tweet observes that Moir literally grew up lifting Virtue. With the inevitable fluctuation in their relative sizes as they matured over the years (and with their Cirque training), surely they always are thinking through how to combine power and technique to greatest advantage.
    Keira Henricks ‏@keira_h
    I remember, years ago, in Ilderton, thinking how crazy it was Scott could fling Tessa around like that. Now, its like a million times more.
    7:43 PM - 8 Dec 12

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    I believe the original exchange was credited to Marina, but the correct translation of what what she said is that Tessa skated somewhat labored (another meaning of "heavy" which has nothing to do with weight)

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    Congratulations to Meryl and Charlie. Simply the Best!!!!

    Congrats to V/M and P/B, well done!

    Shout out to Anna and Luca for a beautifully skated Carmen and a new well deserved SB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Tessa is SOOOOO heavy. Sloppy skating in fact, with some mistakes.
    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    She is also heavier than many ice dancers
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    She is very buff-looking now, and muscle tissue is heavy.
    Can someone explain to me why it is fine to say "she is heavier than many others", or that "her muscles are heavy", or that "she is buff-looking" (jeez what images google gave me when I looked for pics to figure out what this urban adj means )? But why is it not fine to give a comment during watching skating LIVE like "she is SOOO heavy, with sloopy skating"? Any explanations? One poster already came up with this one:
    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    ETA: BUT if you said this in response to let`s talk, then I am not defending that person.
    So, it's all about who used the adj. "heavy". It's legitimate for some, and they can use it without any troubles. But if someone else says the same word, it becomes "harsh", "not cool" or whatever. Pardon, my dear Voir fans, but it does sound kind of wimpish whining and more than hypocritical. That is what is not cool. But if you want to act like that, why should I bother to make your image any better. Carry on.

    Tessa is heavy, with heavy skating, moves, lifts and in general their FD was rather dull. About her size- a lot of people told here regaring that stuff. I am talking about skating. Maybe her size compared too small Scott ("small" is allowed? ) caused this issue, or lack of proper training after Igor left. But the whole routine looked very heavy to me. Scott was practically "pulling" her to finish the FD. Better than at CoR but still. And I am not a D/W uber as some might suggest just because I am not in love with V/M FD "Halloween came to town". D/W has recycled stuff in short-track form this season. Nothing more. I am absolutely disagree that these two teams have so much higher scores than the rest of the field. I just don't see that they are that much better than others.

    Someone mentioned R-forums crap about who RusFed supports. Forum posters can suggest whatever they want. There is no ground to come up with the idea that RusFed has its preferences. There are enough conspiracy threads like "who should be promoted over whom by this/that Fed.", etc. Maybe they should open the conspiracy subforum . Russian Nationals will decide who is the champion and #1 in teh country's Ice Dance field.

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    When I said Tessa was "buff" I meant she was well-muscled and in great shape. I think Tessa is at her optimum weight and she looks fine just as she is.

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