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    Kaetlyn Osmond

    What a phenomenal year for Kaetlyn Osmond

    She win Nebelhorn Trophy, win Skate Canada and she has completely prove to Japanese that she is a figure skater to watch for World because at her last competition at Skate Canada Challenge (5-9 december), she delivered a performance superior to Mao Asada who won the Grand Prix Final.

    She earn 198.70 at Skate Canada Challenge this year!
    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...catResults.pdf
    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...gesDetails.pdf
    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...gesDetails.pdf

    Kaetlyn is greatly improved and she has no pressure when she competes compared to other skaters.

    I think this year that she is able to get the gold medal at the world championships. Why not, Yu-Na Kim and Mao Asada in their first year Senior and world championships have finished 2nd and 3rd respectively, while I think Kaetlyn is able to do the same and surprise the world with her superb programs. I love her skating

    What are your thought about Kaetlyn Osmond this season ? Do you think that she has the potential to medal at the world championships and do you think that she is someone to watched at the next Olympic Games?

    August 2015/Update


    Biographical Info


    ISU bio: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012655.htm

    Icenetwork bio: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/pr...kaetlyn_osmond

    Skate Canada Bio: http://skatecanada.ca/kaetlyn-osmond/

    Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaetlyn_Osmond

    Tracings.net profile: http://tracings.net/osmo-kaet.html


    Social Media


    Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/kaetlyn_23

    Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/KaetlynOsmond...027675%2F&_rdr

    Instagram: https://instagram.com/kaetkiss/?hl=en


    Personal Best Total Score 176.82 World Championships 2013
    Personal Best Score Short Program 64.73 World Championships 2013
    Personal Best Score Free Skating 115.89 ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012


    Programs


    2015-16
    SP "La vie en rose" performed by Cyndi Lauper; choreo by Lance Vipond
    FS "Danzarin", "Oblivion" and "Tanguera"

    2015 Wild Rose Invitational SP (on her facebook). She scored 69.46 points in the SP and 117.25 in the FS.
    https://m.facebook.com/KaetlynOsmondCFS/video_hub/

    Skate Detroit 2015 SP
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2y...-07-2015_sport
    Skate Detroit 2015 FS
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2z...-detroit_sport
    A fancam of the FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KiQXuQr26SA


    2014-15
    SP "La vie en rose"
    FS "Danzarin", "Oblivion" and "Tanguera"

    Kaetlyn was injured all season.

    2013-14
    SP "Big Spender" and "The Rich Man's Frug" from Sweet Charity
    FS the Astérix & Obélix: Mission Cléopâtre soundtrack by Philippe Chany and music from Claude-Michel Schönberg & David Nixon's Cleopatra

    2014 Worlds SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=be7NAlIW6mg
    2014 Worlds FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZm8TE5dW0

    My Olympics: Kaetlyn Osmond (filmed before the Olympics)
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSsni6TNB4

    2014 Olympic Sendoff Rally-The Silver Blades Skating Club held a rally to send best wishes to Kaetlyn Osmond and the Canadian Olympic team on Sunday, Feb. 9, 2014, at the Kinsmen Arena II in Corner Brook. Skaters came dressed in red and white, carrying signs and with their faces painted
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1A8nCWpNFp0

    Pre Olympic team SP skate fluff, including video of Kaetlyn as a very young skater.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNDN5Wy9E5E

    2014 Canadian Championships SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tBIv8as6MCU
    Post SP Interview
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gU1m2qEXfD0
    2014 Canadian Championships FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PhUS-G9UXVM
    Post FS interview
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=54bnaJib41k

    2013 Skate Canada SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CXKqopdXnFo

    2013 Wild Rose Invitational SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lkB3_jvS6HA

    2012-13
    SP Mambo No. 8" and "Gwendoline" by Perez Prado
    FS Carmen by Georges Bizet

    2013 World Team Trophy SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqZlimJNW8
    2013 World Team Trophy FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwb-BfJiL0k

    2013 Worlds SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MId9_QOVips
    2013 Worlds FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FX3pNX0ce-g

    2013 Four Continents SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLEfKDnNwc
    2013 Four Continents FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJEKdJ_BQh0

    2013 Canadian Nationals SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FeNFi331yE
    2013 Canadian Nationals FS fancam
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QCuN80zEs

    2013 Canadian Challenge interview
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EtdNPwznw0E

    2012 Skate Canada SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HIX16H_41LM
    2012 Skate Canada FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Njge-_4uiVQ

    2012 Nebelhorn FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=duHhEVNQRWU
    Interview
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qpO_eVUG2j8

    2012 Skate Detroit SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGpenq0auTQ
    2012 Skate Detroit FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oogIED3Jrx8


    2011-12
    SP "Your Good Name" by Mychael Danna and "Ganesh" by A.R. Rahman
    FS "Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso in A minor" by Camille Saint-Saens

    2012 Junior World Championships SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JvnR_UcuKDw
    2012 Junior World Championships FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OhWQfIFQ7lw

    2012 Canadian Championships SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6He7VoOye8
    2012 Canadian Championships FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxTzdCUWFRY
    Interview
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QE1o_2TRNf4

    2012 Wild Rose SP
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mbwNeUqjWHs
    2012 Wild Rose FS
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYdgNS2Xigw

    2010-11
    SP "A Day in the Life" by Jeff Beck
    FS "Galicia Flamenca" and "Recuerdos de la Alhambra" by Francisco Tarraga and Gino d'Auri



    Competitive History


    Competition SP LP Final
    Season 2015-2016
    2015 Wild Rose Invitational 1 (69.46) 1 (117.25 ) 11 (186.71)
    2015 Skate Detroit Senior Ladies Final FS - 5 (89.54) 5 (89.54)
    2015 Skate Detroit Senior Ladies A 1 (59.01) 1 (105.91) 1 (164.90)
    Kaetlyn was injured throughout Season 2014-2015
    Season 2013-2014
    2014 World Championships 8 (62.92) 13 (107.72 ) 11 (170.64)
    2014 Olympic Winter Games 13 (56.18) 13 (102.76) 13 (168.98)
    2014 Olympic Winter Games -- Team Event 5 (62.54) 5 (110.73) 2 Team (173.27)
    2014 Canadian National Championships 1 (70.30) 1 (136.94) 1 (207.24)
    2014 Skate Canada Challenge 5 (50.99) 1 (118.96) 1 (169.95)
    2013 Skate Canada 5 (60.32) - WD
    Season 2012-2013
    2013 World Team Trophy 7 (55.18) 7 (109.67) 2 Team (164.85)
    2013 World Championships 4 (64.73) 10 (112.09) 8 (176.82)
    2013 Four Continents Championships 8 (56.22) 7 (103.16) 7 (159.38)
    2013 Canadian National Championships 1 (70.04) 1 (131.30) 1 (201.34)
    2013 Skate Canada Challenge 1 (66.73) 1 (131.97) 1 (198.70)
    2012 Skate Canada 2 (60.56) 2 (115.89) 1 (176.45)
    2012 Nebelhorn Trophy 2 (55.68) 1 (114.51) 1 (170.19)
    Season 2011-2012
    2012 World Junior Championships 9 (50.15) 10 (96.10) 10 (146.25)
    2012 World Junior Championships -- Preliminary Round 1 (97.36) 1 (PR)
    2012 Canadian National Championships 1 (56.94) 4 (98.53) 3 (155.47)
    2012 Skate Canada Challenge 3 (45.40) 1 (90.34) 1 (135.74)
    2012 Alberta/NWT/Nunavut Sectionals 1 (50.39) 1 (96.30) 1 (146.69)
    Season 2010-2011
    2011 Canadian Junior National Championships 5 (39.71) 8 (68.45) 6 (108.16)
    2011 Skate Canada Junior Challenges 2 (41.50) 9 (68.25) 5 (109.75)
    2011 Alberta/NWT/Nunavut Junior Sectionals 1 (41.33) 1 (81.02) 1 (122.35)
    2010 JGP Czech Skate 11 (38.96) 7 (72.94) 10 (111.90)
    2010 JGP SBC Cup 9 (37.78) 8 (70.94) 9 (108.72)
    Season 2009-2010
    2010 Canadian Junior National Championships 5 (41.32) 2 (71.30) 3 (112.62)
    2010 Skate Canada Junior Challenges 11(37.36) 1 (77.12) 3 (114.48)
    2010 Alberta/NWT/Nunavut Junior Sectionals 3 (37.72) 2 (65.90) 2 (103.62)
    Season 2008-2009
    2009 Canadian Novice National Championships 1 (36.00) 2 (55.82) 1 (91.82)
    2009 Novice Western Challenge 1 (38.07) 2 (60.48) 1 (98.55)
    2009 Alberta/NWT/Nunavut Novice Sectionals 4 (31.55) 1 (62.32) 2 (93.87)

    Exhibitions and Galas

    2015 CSOI - "Mama Knows Best" by Jessie J (but super-annoying commentary)
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FXptHfXU8YA

    Dec. 2014 - West Edmonton Mall Ice Palace, - "Human" by Christina Perri
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbPbXA2DMxA

    Dec. 2014 Ice Palace FSC Christmas Spectacular- "Human" by Christina Perri
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfV83yIOvBY

    2014 CSOI (Toronto) - "Mama Knows Best" by Jessie J
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=293tCwJDkMw

    2014 CSOI with Joannie Rochette, Kaitlyn Weaver, and Tessa Virtue - "Creep" by Scala & Kolacny Brothers (Montreal)
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aDr4JnBBKcU

    2014 CSOI (Toronto) - "Mama Knows Best" by Jessie J
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CS9O1QDvNM

    2013 Ice Palace FSC Christmas Spectacular - "O Holy Night," performed by Carrie Underwood
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CRwJVXgeuEY

    2013 Worlds Gala - "Candyman" by Christina Aguilera
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e8G8mAeX_ko

    2012 Skate Canada Gala - "Reach" (NBC Olympic version) by Gloria Estefan
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BG_rlygJqGc

    2012 Nebelhorn Gala - "Reach" (NBC Olympic version) by Gloria Estefan
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHjlnX8Rjp0



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    May 2015 - Kaetlyn Osmond and the Real Shark Tank: Giovanni and Me Season, Episode 5.
    Giovanni challenges Silver Medal Olympian Kaetlyn Osmond to a figure staking showdown. After being rejected by Shark Tank Giovanni visits a real shark tank at Big Al's Aquarium Services in Kitchener. And by popular request Swap Shop Classic.
    Giovanni and Me features hilarious interviews with people in the Community.
    The show airs Thursdays 9:30pm and Saturdays at 5:00pm on Rogers Cable 20
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdcSKzr4u1k

    Sep. 2014 - My Canadians: Kaetlyn Osmond (what the competition meant to her)
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSLs6t_eq2s

    Apr. 2014 - Marystown, Newfoundland, native Kaetlyn Osmond honoured at Confederation Building -Two-time Canadian Women's Figure Skating Champion and Olympic Silver Medalist Kaetlyn Osmond was honoured at an event at Confederation Building April 27, 2014, for her athletic accomplishments. by the Newfoundland and Labrador government
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vHpR7126ALs

    Edmondton Figure Skater Kaetlyn Osmond Gets an Olympic Sendoff
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_nNSjCKMd8

    Jan. 2014 - Kaetlyn Osmond: This local skater is bound to be Canadas sweetheart at the Olympics by Shaw TV Edmonton
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7_APrg3gU

    Dec. 2013 - Her Greatest Inspiration: 17-year-old Olympic figure skater Kaetlyn Osmond discusses how her sister's involvement in figure skating drew her to the sport. by the Globe and Mail
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7ojsf-cBo

    Dec. 2013 - Canadian Olympic athletes share their superstitions ahead of Sochi 2014- Canadian Olympians Alex Bilodeau, Rosalind Groenewoud, Patrick Chan, Kaetlyn Osmond, Kelsey Serwa and others share their biggest game day superstitions. Did someone say 'purple underwear'? by The Globe and Mail http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESaTEVzcvw

    Dec. 2013 - Interview after her win at Challenge
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EtdNPwznw0E

    Oct. 2013 PJ Kwong speaks with Canadian champion Kaetlyn Osmond's coach about preparations for the upcoming Olympic season.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIU87jMx_4

    Oct. 2013 - Feature Edit: Kaetlyn Osmond: A look into competitive figure skating and injury, featuring Olympian Kaetlyn Osmond.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vE3xv66U25U

    Apr. 2013 - Kaetlyn is this month's Woman of Vision
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWLv58vr30

    Apr. 2013 - CBC Feature; Biography of Kaetlyn Osmond
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cooqBN4vUWs

    Jan. 2013 - A Minute with Kaetlyn Osmond by Skate Canada
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GquEQCIXAUg

    Oct. 2012 - PJ Kwong talked to Mike Slipchuk - High Performance Director of Skate Canada about brand new Skate Canada champion - Kaetlyn Osmond. Slipchuk talks about Kaetlyn's GP season
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zDos1zMSIVE

    Oct. 2012 - Up Close: Kaetlyn Osmond by Skatebuzz
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtH0aS71SrA

    Feb. 2012 Shaw TV Edmonton reporter Tammy Karatchuk spoke wiht Kaetlyn Osmond, a local figure skater who's going to the 2012 Canadian figure skating championships, and her coach, Ravi Walia
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TNQUEL5OlDU
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 08-14-2015 at 05:01 PM.

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    I think it's just great that Canada has a lady who should easily finish in the top ten at Worlds. It was only a few short months ago that all hope was lost.

    As for potential. Bronze medallists at worlds can often be a surprise as the pressure gets to the favourites and they fall apart an underdog can come through to snatch that bronze. But no, I think if all women skate to their potential Osmond is not on judges radar for a medal in London or Sochi. I think a top ten finish at this point is a great result. Top five would be phenomenal but again there are others on the radar to make that difficult.

    But I do think she is an exciting rising star and it's nice to see a Canadian lady who looks like they enjoy to compete. I´m hoping she keeps that spirit and is like Meghan Duhamel in her approach to her skating ie..analytical and determined and positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolboogie22 View Post
    What a phenomenal year for Kaetlyn Osmond

    She win Nebelhorn Trophy, win Skate Canada and she has completely prove to Japanese that she is a figure skater to watch for World because at her last competition at Skate Canada Challenge (5-9 december), she delivered a performance superior to Mao Asada who won the Grand Prix Final.

    She earn 198.70 at Skate Canada Challenge this year!
    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...catResults.pdf
    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...gesDetails.pdf
    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...gesDetails.pdf

    Kaetlyn is greatly improved and she has no pressure when she competes compared to other skaters.

    I think this year that she is able to get the gold medal at the world championships. Why not, Yu-Na Kim and Mao Asada in their first year Senior and world championships have finished 2nd and 3rd respectively, while I think Kaetlyn is able to do the same and surprise the world with her superb programs. I love her skating

    What are your thought about Kaetlyn Osmond this season ? Do you think that she has the potential to medal at the world championships and do you think that she is someone to watched at the next Olympic Games?
    Given your other posts in other threads, you are quite obviously completely obsessed by Osmond. We get that. Do you really need to start another thread about your obsession? She did not deserve to win Skate Canada. That was Osmondflation and a political fix. Suzuki was the real winner of that competition. Osmond is not even the best in Canada and marked objectively would struggle to score above 140 (SP/LP combined). She has some potential, but is not yet a world class competitor. She should be allowed to develop at her own rate, instead of been promoted beyond what she is currently capable of. Next time she competes internationally, a lot of people will be closely scrutinising her scores to double check for any further Skate Canada type shenanigans
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    Quote Originally Posted by oksanafan View Post
    Given your other posts in other threads, you are quite obviously completely obsessed by Osmond. We get that. Do you really need to start another thread about your obsession? She did not deserve to win Skate Canada. That was Osmondflation and a political fix. Suzuki was the real winner of that competition. Osmond is not even the best in Canada and marked objectively would struggle to score above 140 (SP/LP combined). She has some potential, but is not yet a world class competitor. She should be allowed to develop at her own rate, instead of been promoted beyond what she is currently capable of. Next time she competes internationally, a lot of people will be closely scrutinising her scores to double check for any further Skate Canada type shenanigans
    How could you explain such good results at Skate Canada Challenge this year ? and how could you explain that she win every competition internationnally? If I would talking about Asada or Kim, everyone would be agree with me. But because Osmond is new in the field everyone is bashing her for being great suddenly.

    Kaetlyn Osmond is certainly someone to watch at the world this year and if Akiko Suzuki didn't win Skate Canada this year it's because she was slow in her skating and have a bad skate in the SP. I watch her live at Skate Canada and I can confirm that Suzuki in live is much slower than Osmond in her skating. So, it's normal that Suzuki look less impressive even if she is pretty, she doesn't sell her performance cause of her speed and her spin are not as good as Osmond.

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    I'd refrain my praise on Osmond till I see more impressive result/results.

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    I didn't agree with her win at Skate Canada. I don't dispute speed + better spins on Osmond's part (Akiko's spins have always been something she should work on), but I think Osmond got a little too much of a PCS boost on her part for a program that her team even said was packaged to ease her transition into the senior ranks. Akiko only lost by a little over a point, so that made all the difference, IMO.

    I also think her score at Skate Canada Challenge is inflated. Domestic events, on the whole, are, so I'm not trying to pick on Kaetlyn by saying this. I don't see her getting 198 internationally. I think a score in the 170s is more reasonable, which would put her within the top 10 pretty easily, but I don't see her challenging for the podium.

    Currently on my list (http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...-165-on-the-GP) , she has the 14th highest score in the GP and is No. 8 as far a SBs among the senior level skaters.

    That said, I do like Kaetlyn and her skating overall and the judging stuff does not change that view. I think she has a great attitude and outlook. I do expect she will win Canadians easily and has a lot of good things ahead of her.

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    No. This is my opinion: she's not a world medal skater, considering Yu-Na's, Mao's and Ashley's level (and we have yet to see Kostner), but maybe at 4CC (thinking that Yu-Na won't compete there)... Frankly, I think that her 65 PCS at SC Challenge was absolutely overscored but it's normal, since it's a national competition. But, she's really a good skater, so young and so talented: if just she had a 3F+3T instead of the 3T+3T she could really be a contender, I think it will come down to the PCS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I didn't agree with her win at Skate Canada. I don't dispute speed + better spins on Osmond's part (Akiko's spins have always been something she should work on), but I think Osmond got a little too much of a PCS boost on her part for a program that her team even said was packaged to ease her transition into the senior ranks. Akiko only lost by a little over a point, so that made all the difference, IMO.

    I also think her score at Skate Canada Challenge is inflated. Domestic events, on the whole, are, so I'm not trying to pick on Kaetlyn by saying this. I don't see her getting 198 internationally. I think a score in the 170s is more reasonable, which would put her within the top 10 pretty easily, but I don't see her challenging for the podium.

    Currently on my list (http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...-165-on-the-GP) , she has the 14th highest score in the GP and is No. 8 as far a SBs among the senior level skaters.

    That said, I do like Kaetlyn and her skating overall and the judging stuff does not change that view. I think she has a great attitude and outlook. I do expect she will win Canadians easily and has a lot of good things ahead of her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT
    No. This is my opinion: she's not a world medal skater, considering Yu-Na's, Mao's and Ashley's level (and we have yet to see Kostner), but maybe at 4CC (thinking that Yu-Na won't compete there)... Frankly, I think that her 65 PCS at SC Challenge was absolutely overscored but it's normal, since it's a national competition. But, she's really a good skater, so young and so talented: if just she had a 3F+3T instead of the 3T+3T she could really be a contender, I think it will come down to the PCS...

    Forget about the scores for a moment since, as you rightfully pointed out - it's not an international or ISU panel, therefore, any direct comparison to ISU competitions is not going to be reliable though not necessarily irrelevant given that Skate Canada has one of the most rigorous and well respected training program for judges of any ISU members. Unlike many places elsewhere. it typically took a judge 10 years in Canada to reach the national level though for the challenge, it's a level just below national. So some of these judges you see here are in fact far more experienced than some international judges from countries where FS is far less popular.

    Now, looking at the protocols posted in #1 :

    SP : http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...gesDetails.pdf
    FS: http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2...gesDetails.pdf

    For the sake of argument, ignore the scores completely but instead, looking at what's objectively performed by Osmond. In the SP, 3T+3T, 3F - the total BV of this layout is already superior to that of every single woman at this past GPF except Suzuki who is tied here. So realistically, if you put Osmond at the GPF, she would likely be 5th after the SP because her PCS would hold her back against the like of Korpi and Suzuki but she will beat Tuk because she only did a 3T+2T and a less difficult 2nd Triple, a 3Lo, not to mention Gao who bombed. But it will be a 5th place who would still be competitive going to the LP. Given that Tuk got 56.61 for her SP with the above mentioned content and Osmond already beat Tuk this year, one can probably estimate that Osmond would be at least 4 pts higher with a clean SP, placing her again around 60-61 at the GPF, about 4-5 points behind Suzuki after the SP and no more than 7 points behind Asada. So far, I think this comparative assessment would be quite reasonable - to give her only 5th place after the SP at the GPF based on the elements she performed at the Skate Canada Challenge even though she was clean and had more difficult jumps than either #1 or 2, Asada and Wagner.

    Now, looking at the FS, Osmond did clean : 3F+2T, 3Lz, 2A+3T, 3S, 3F, 3T+2T+2T, 2A

    Breaking it down:

    3Lz X 1
    3F X 2
    3S X 1
    3T X 2
    2A X 2
    2T X 3

    Compared to Suzuki at her GPF FS, which took place at the same time : 3F+2T+2Lo, 2A+3T, 3Lo+2T, 3S (note, I am omitting a single Lutz and falls)

    Breaking it down:

    3F X 1
    3Lo X 1
    3S X 1
    3T X 1
    2A X 1
    2Lo X 1
    2T X 2


    Comparing the two by crossing out equivalent jumps, we get a difference in favor of Osmond equal to :

    3Lz X 1
    3T X 1
    2A X 1

    Note that I cancel out the Suzuki's 3Lo with Osmond's 2nd 3F given that Suzuki had a 2Lo over an extra 2T Osmond did, so they add up pretty much to the same. Now, that's a difference of over 13 points in BV alone, not even considering the impact of GOE. With a clean skate and we know for a fact that International judges have been giving Osmond decent GOE as well based on two competitions this season, it's fairly reasonable to assume that the total difference in TES would have been greater than 13 points. So even if we benchmark Osmond's PCS based on Tuktamysheva's score, say conservatively around 54-55 despite a clean skate - Suzuki would only have at best a 5-6 points cushion in the PCS. Adding everything all up, including the difference in the SP, Osmond could have easily taken the Bronze at the GPF with her performance at the Skate Canada Challenge. I think this is fairly realistic. Note, I have been very conservative in the estimate here. If Osmond went on and do very well at the 4CC in Osaka, any deficiency in the PCS department would likely be greatly reduced by the time of London World Championship, which I am happy to say I'd be there to witness.

    So I think the OP's point is quite valid. Without any consideration to the scores, the elements she is able to perform cleanly in her SP and FS would make her very competitive in the ladies' field today. Simply put, the ladies have had so much trouble getting their acts together, whether it's Suzuki, Wagner or Asada. If the top ladies skates clean, sure, it won't be Osmond's time yet this year - she is new and very young, that's to be expected. However, if the top ladies continue to struggle like they have been all season, the door will be opened. When Lipinski overtook Kwan at the 1997 U.S. Nationals, it was a huge shock but it happened because Michelle Kwan left the door opened by skating poorly. The way these ladies have been skating this year, top 10 for Osmond seems very reasonable and top 5 would certainly be possible as well. And if the top ladies bomb, then surprises may happen again. I don't think ladies filed can continue to afford to have the world champion unable to do a 3Lz or world medalists unable to do 3/3 for much longer, the youngsters are definitely catching up and Osmond isn't alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    No. This is my opinion: she's not a world medal skater, considering Yu-Na's, Mao's and Ashley's level (and we have yet to see Kostner), but maybe at 4CC (thinking that Yu-Na won't compete there)... Frankly, I think that her 65 PCS at SC Challenge was absolutely overscored but it's normal, since it's a national competition. But, she's really a good skater, so young and so talented: if just she had a 3F+3T instead of the 3T+3T she could really be a contender, I think it will come down to the PCS...
    The 3F+3T is quite irrelevant in the FS, vs. the 3T+3T. She is already doing the 3F and 3T twice in the FS. Putting 3F+3T in the SP could be a challenge because what would her stand-alone Triple be then? Her 3Lz isn't consistent enough yet so she will have to reach down to a 3S. Such change just isn't worth it in the SP since the end result is pretty much the same: 3F+3T, 3S vs. 3T+3T, 3F

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    You cannot estimate scores for different competitions and for skaters who werent there first place, just because Osmond won them in SC, if thats so Tuktamisheva won everyone in her gps last season, Wagner, Suzuki and Costner, but she didnt at GPF and nobody assumes she would have been the World Champion had she competed in Nice just because she had beated the current World Champion in TEB. It happened with Gold too, people put too much pressure on a new comer.

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    I saw at SCI practice ice that Osmond was doing 3F+3T and 3Lz+3T. Very huge and with lots of speed. With her getting edge calls at SCI of the 3Lz and 3F, I believe her team has decided to stay with what she is doing very well. She was also doing 3L. I would suspect big changes next year in her jump program. She has speed, jump technique, presence on ice, etc. Finally a skater being judged by what she is doing and not on reputation. From what I understand, she could not compete on JGP last year due to injury. Remember, Gracie Gold has only won US Junior Nats, one JGP, and 2nd at JW. I would bet if she won SCI, there would be no question of her PCS. Osmond is someone outside the top-3 group (Russia, Japan, and US). If you look back at all the treads, if anyone outside these three countries do well, they are bashed because of overscoring and judging scandal (ie. Korpi). Remember, it isn't only one judge giving these high PCS. For Osmond now it has been 3 different panels - Nebelhorn, SCI, and SC Challenge. Even as a Junior skater before the jumps became consistent, Osmond has done well in PCS (most times above TES). Has anyone actually seen her SC Challenge videos?

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    Since this is now a fan fest would suggest that Kaetlyn's detractors find some other spot to slam her.

    I know it wasnt a fan fest originally so I understand past comments.

    That being said - I am not yet a fan of hers. Will have to continue to watch her develop. However, I am full of admiration for what she has done so far and wish her the very best in the next few years. She has a very pleasant style and is a vivacious skater so if her TES stands up she can certainly land on the podium outside of Canada.

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    Given this is a fan thread now, I'll keep my comments to a minimum. But I will say this: I think she is definitely worthy of a fan thread. As I said, she shows a lot of promise and talent.

    So let me put it this way for the sake of this thread:

    I can understand why she got 67 PCS at Skate Canada Challenge. She likely stood out a lot relative to the other Challenge competitors. That's a compliment to her. The fact is that most of the Canadian ladies, even its top ladies have been mediocre at best. So when you have someone like Kaetlyn come along, it's easy to want to give her good scores, especially when compared to others.

    However, when she is going to be against the likes of the ENTIRE world field, including Yuna, Mao Carolina and others she hasn't competed against yet, she will not stand out as much because all those skaters have speed, presence and the other things that she has. That's why I think she will more likely get PCS scores along the lines of 55 or so. I still think 59.

    That said, if she dazzles and other falter, she will have an opportunity to rise up the ranks. We shall see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    The 3F+3T is quite irrelevant in the FS, vs. the 3T+3T. She is already doing the 3F and 3T twice in the FS. Putting 3F+3T in the SP could be a challenge because what would her stand-alone Triple be then? Her 3Lz isn't consistent enough yet so she will have to reach down to a 3S. Such change just isn't worth it in the SP since the end result is pretty much the same: 3F+3T, 3S vs. 3T+3T, 3F
    Yes, I meant that with a SP with 3F+3T and 3Lz could really put her among the world medals contenders, she has to improve her 3Lz, that's the key (I think): Yu-Na became WC and OGM without the 3Lo, she just has to show consistent 3F and 3Lz. And, I would really like so watch her performances at SC Challenge, where can I find the videos?

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    I have not seen the videos yet, but based on comments at the ISU board, it sounded as if Kaetlyn had her best LP skate so far. That would be confirmed by her scores relative to the other skaters 13+ in the SP and 28+ in the LP. It would be nice to see the videos, but since Skatebuzz is charging a $19.99 membership fee to view streams of competitions like "Challenge", videos on Youtube may be less likely. I assume the video of Kaetlyn are temporarily archived at Skatebuzz (1 month)?

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