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She's one of those rare individuals who seem to get prettier with the passage of time... :Prettykeys: How did you manage to find an even pretty avatar than your last one?
She's one of those rare individuals who seem to get prettier with the passage of time... :Prettykeys: How did you manage to find an even pretty avatar than your last one?
A title isn't won on the strength of a long program alone. In fact, I'd argue titles these days are more dependent on performance in the short program than ever. If Carolina does 3T+2T and a 3Lo in the SP like she did at this national competition, she'll be lucky to beat Yuna with this kind of performance.
To be honest... For me, talking about PC's...
Skating Skills: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Transitions: Yuna > Asada > Carolina
Choreography: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Interpretation: Carolina > Asada > Yuna
Performance/Execution is difficult to say, since it will depend on the performance of each one, but, considering that the three skate clean, I think the judges are gonna to put Yuna > Asada > Carolina
Talking about TES. If Carolina land the seven triples, she will be first in the TES. But, Kim also will be very close, because Kim can recieve very high GOEs for her elements (as Carolina and Mao can get too). Carolina gets huge GOE for jumps and steps and Asada recieves massive GOE for spins, steps and spirals.
Talking about jumps overrall is very complicated, because there are five types of jumps. I would rank the three, in terms of jumps:
Lutz: Yuna > Carolina > Asada (Since Asada does not have a proper Lutz)
Flip: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Loop: Carolina > Asada > Yuna (Kim has no Loop)
Salchow: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Toeloop: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Axel: Yuna > Asada > Carolina
In terms of spins, Asada has slightly better spins than Yuna and both of them spin better than Carolina. I would rank Asada > Kim > Carolina
In terms of steps, Carolina > Asada > Kim.
On Choreo and Interpretation, I'd say they might be ranked similarly, considering both SP's and LP's. Same with P/E if they all skate cleanly. So Caro = Mao = YuNaChoreography: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Interpretation: Carolina > Asada > Yuna
Flip: Caro = YuNa > MaoFlip: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Steps: Caro = Mao > YuNa (YuNa can be a little stiff sometimes in her steps, not quite as fluid as the other two even if hers are still very good.)In terms of steps, Carolina > Asada > Kim.
To be honest... For me, talking about PC's...
Skating Skills: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Transitions: Yuna > Asada > Carolina
Choreography: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Interpretation: Carolina > Asada > Yuna
Performance/Execution is difficult to say, since it will depend on the performance of each one, but, considering that the three skate clean, I think the judges are gonna to put Yuna > Asada > Carolina
Agree, if Caro has 7 triples, and other girls have 6, she should win.Talking about TES. If Carolina land the seven triples, she will be first in the TES. But, Kim also will be very close, because Kim can recieve very high GOEs for her elements (as Carolina and Mao can get too). Carolina gets huge GOE for jumps and steps and Asada recieves massive GOE for spins, steps and spirals.
Agree but the Loop and Axel.Lutz: Yuna > Carolina > Asada (Since Asada does not have a proper Lutz)
Flip: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Loop: Carolina > Asada > Yuna (Kim has no Loop)
Salchow: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Toeloop: Carolina > Yuna > Asada
Axel: Yuna > Asada > Carolina
Agree. Asada sometimes come close, but her steps generally is a level below. Asada never got a level 4 when it was harder to get a level 4.In terms of steps, Carolina > Asada > Kim.
I don't know about that. I think the best Carolina 3Lo was one of the best I'd seen from a lady, ever. It was spectacularly high. I can't look for the performance/clip right now, but if no one does it later tonight I will dig it up and post it.Mao's loop at her best should be > Carolina.
No need to skate then... or see how they actually do.
When is the last time Carolina did 7 triples? I though Yuna's 3Flip especially her 3F3T is magnificent (Great height, distance, flow and power) so is her 2A+3T, certainly one of the best in the biz.
I disagree with interpretation and performance/execution and would have placed Yuna first, since when I have always felt it is Yuna out of the three who has consistently displayed best versatility, diversity, emotional investment and musical range to extrapolate essences of the music the best. She is also way more expressive with her entire body than the other two, including reflecting fairly accurately varied pace of the music, the highs and the lows as appropriate. While Carol has learned to control her speed and pacing in her skate, it does improve her musicality but she has only been doing this recently and still lack in range. Mao could benefit from listen to the music a bit more and do some research into the rich history and background of her programs, the composer, the meaning of her piece to show respect to the material instead of just using it as pleasant background music to her light happy fun version of what ever the music is, which she has seems to have pigeonholed herself into.
Choreography wise, I found Kostner's and Mao's LP tends to be half empty (I blame this on Lori though, who is sure COP smart, but sacrifice alot of the artistry she could have included), only the latter part focuses almost entirely on step sequences for a climatic finish hoping judges will forget about the void of the rest of the program and finish on a high (Miki Ando/Morozov effect). It ends up with jarring piece of work where the skaters forget to emote half of the time with only the slightest music references while visibly focuses on getting the jumps out of the way (usually take a while to set up) for all that COP number crunching, before settle down and do the step sequences and a big wow finish.
Kostner is a classical skater within limited range, she mesh it with it well, but there's virtually nothing unique about her Bolero that stand out from her other European classic pieces. The most interesting part of her choreography consist of near stationary poses, similar to her Shostakovitch program last year with the same hip wiggling choreography stare into the crowd as she is some flirtatious Goddess they should be in complete awe which I suppose they want to make it into a Carolina trademark a la Witt. But it ends up just feel like she has become a parody of herself, where's the substance, purpose or meaning in her performance, and how is that different from a well oiled performed routine. Was her interpretation anything to do with the music was written about? The historical setting? Composer's intention? What's the concept can you identify behind the program? If you turn the music off and show it to another person, can they understand what she is trying to express and guess the music, can they clap to the beat?
Don't get me wrong, she is a very high quality skater, undoubtedly one of the best, but watching her skating is sometimes like drinking water, not the tap kind obviously. But instead of gurgled on it and trying to swallow because you tell yourself is good for you, I can now actually seep it quietly, pleasantly with the 6 triples. But I still prefer variety of beverages, hot and cold, sometimes a finewine of different vintages, different grapes from different vineyard, a little cocktail here and there for variety, and on occasion sparkling soda pop with lots of ice and twist of lemon every now and again through out the season.. I get that more often with Yuna than with the 2 others, for that I am grateful.
I have to agree with this.Choreography wise, I found Kostner's and Mao's LP tends to be half empty (I blame this on Lori though, who is sure COP smart, but sacrifice alot of the artistry she could have included), only the latter part focuses almost entirely on step sequences for a climatic finish hoping judges will forget about the void of the rest of the program and finish on a high (Miki Ando/Morozov effect). It ends up with jarring piece of work where the skaters forget to emote half of the time with only the slightest music references while visibly focuses on getting the jumps out of the way (usually take a while to set up) for all that COP number crunching, before settle down and do the step sequences and a big wow finish.
If Caro skates like this again in Canada, both Mao and Yuna will need to have the skate of their life to beat her. She's the world champion with world champion bonus and she needs to get bigger bonus for her mastering of all type of triples.
I see some of Yuna fans aren't so happy. .
Heh. I'm very happy that CaroK skated like a World Champ here.
But I haven't seen CaroK bring her A-game to big comps and do everything perfectly recently.
Also you may be right CaroK has the WC bonus, but Yuna is the reigning Olympic Champion and still the holder of the WR scores in SP, LP and combined from Vancouver. And Mao, despite her recent struggles, is still the Olympic Silver Medalist and the only woman to land three 3As in one comp (in Vancouver). And both Yuna and Mao have won WC titles before, and it's not like their Olympic medals were some fluke.
So I don't think that CaroK's locked in for another WC title.
Well...they sure scored her like a 5 x world champions, protocols forwarded from Chinese skating boards.
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I don't know about Bolero but last year, when Lori choreographed her Mozart FS, Caro read Mozart's biography and studied the piece she was going to skate to, and she said in multiple Italian interviews that she felt she was skating to the "Lady Gaga of those years" and that "I love skating to Mozart because I know very well the background of this piece", so maybe it has been the same this year...Was her interpretation anything to do with the music was written about? The historical setting? Composer's intention? What's the concept can you identify behind the program? If you turn the music off and show it to another person, can they understand what she is trying to express and guess the music, can they clap to the beat?
It was an EX, Caro also skate to Mein Herr or Heavy Cross that were funny/light! Yes, I agree that her choreography are pretty the same in some parts, but every choreographer has his/her own style, so (is she wants a different choreography style) she would have to change it...Yuna skated to a funny, light yet matured music, All of Me.
As others already mentioned earlier in this thread, it is very clear that Lori does not necessarily bring originaloty nor creativity for Caro since the choreos for Mozart LP and this Bolero LP take almost exactly same variation of well-known contemporary dance routines or ballet routines.
I thought Yuna's Die Fledermaus was light and funny. I admit that it was not a good choice for her, but at least she tried itI agree that she's sometimes skating to the same classical kind of music, but so is Yu-Na: you will never see Yu-Na/Caro skating to "I got rythm" like Mao or to a funny/light program, because it just isn't their style. Caro is always soft, elegant and classic, Yu-Na is always dramatic and energetic (excluding the early years, yes, but in those years her artistic abilities were not "her style" yet), Mao is really the only one who has experimented a variety in her style.
I don't know why you didn't include Liza (perhaps you thought she's not a top senior skater?), but she is capable of landing seven clean triples. Actually she has more difficult content than Caro - 3Lz-3T and another 3Lz, some difficult jumps in second half of the program, transitions and flow in and out of the jumps, more consistency than Caro. She's a great jumper, IMO.For the technical side, Caro has the best technique in all the jumps, except the lutz (which is obviously Yu-Na's), but don't forget that she is the only one in the world, at the moment, who is able to land seven clean triples among the top Senior Ladies (all the others have UR, "e" problems or they simply don't have one triple, like Yu-Na), she doesn't always have beautiful transitions before them but their height and quality is comparable just to Yu-Na's.