Sayonara Oda , Kozuka
Better luck next season
Thanks for the protocols which makes it a interesting reading.
Consider Hanyu was marked generous for both programs, though SP is deserved consider it is a home event and the standard he displayed. Not so sure about the FS given what I saw.
Judges could be more generous with Dai but there were no GPF bonus.
The difference could work out something like
2.5 points underscore from Dai for the SP
2 points overscore from Hanyu for LP (eg 1-1.25 point off Hanyu's GOEs and PCS wise knock off 0.25-0.5 Skating Skills, 0.25 P/E, 0.25 Interpretation)
1 points from that weird feather from costumes.
Dai could have got the gold.
After watching the skates, I don't have a problem with the placements, though I liked Dai's FS the most. If Dai won, I'd be fine with that, but giving the two programs as a whole, I think Hanyu was a worthy winner.
Sad for Kozuka and Oda, but happy for Mura. I really think he has some good momentum going after that poor skate at Skate Canada. I think while he doesn't have the program components, he certainly makes up for it in lovely jumps and skating skills (and for the most part going clean).
As if you couldn't say some of Dai's marks were generous too. I completly adore him as a skater, but that doesn't change this far from perfect choreography and the 'missing' transitions. And he got 9.25-9.75's for those components too.Originally Posted by os168
I think this could have gone either way, but Yuzuru deserved his gold medal. Some of this conspiracy theories here are just...
Anyway: this season sucks!!!!
Okay, so, maybe not completly... but Nobu and Taka nor at worlds nor 4CC? That's aweful. I used to watch Kozuka's gorgeous 'Sound of Silent' Ex to cheer me up on sadder days, and now that won't work anymore I guess. I'll miss him at worlds!
And Oda, as an Osakan and being 4th, not even getting 4CC is just... I fell so sad for him.
On the upside, I'm really, really happy for Mura. He has a lot of potential, and I enjoy his skating a lot. Hopefully he'll be great at both 4CC & worlds and really use the chance he got
Daisuke really showed he still has it all. Hope he nails it like that again at worlds. This plus a better SP and he could be WC for the second time. I would love to see that happen.
The main credit I'd give to Yuzuru now is skating the way he did after what Daisuke put out. He is one heck of a competitor. If he continues to work on his strength and stamina, he might become pretty consistent. And we know how much the jugdes love that... and speed. And huge monstrous jumps. Yuzuru is like made for this system.
Then he already got a very high pcs, 44.65. If you give him 2.5 points more it would be skyrocketing 47.15. I don’t think Dai’s sp, or anybody’s sp, deserves 47 pcs.
I do love Hanyu's music but I watch him wishing Dai or Chan were skating to it but that's just me.
I wish Kozuka was still going to worlds like Akiko but he is injured. I hope he makes it back where it belongs next season.
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As for the "generous" marks, it's all about to what you compare it. It's doesn't make sense to compare Nationals to international competitions and we all know why. The only more or less right way to compare the score at Nationals is to compare it to the rival's. And here the one who got generously overscored with all home advantge was Yuzu, while Dai got none, and he actually was judged way strcicter than even at international events (ur, sq level, etc.). Yuzu didn't even start with high speed as he used to do. Now he gets it slowerer, probably trying to keep his stamina to finish the prog. It might caused his mistakes on both quads, one of which didn't even get -GOE, the 4S from two-foot was judged rather kind. Then he just lost his speed completly and was walking from elements to elements expressing no musicality and character. When they make fake champions from evans, sarahs, chans and others- I don't care much. They all donn't have any talent or charisma. Yuzu could become a real star, the one whose prog people would want to rewatch, like his R&J in Nice. Wanting to rewatch a sick kid who needs food, hug and who can bearly finish his prog is not healthy to say the least. If they don't change the coaching policy readrding Yuzu, he won't have a long career, which would be a real shame considering his potential. Stupid JSF.
Takahashi definitely won this event from my perspective. He vastly outskated Hanyu in the LP and made just a small mistake in the SP. I don't think his SP Quad deserved that < call and Hanyu was gifted in the LP both on PCS and GOE (especially for those shaky quads, which should have been -2 on the first and -3 on the second).
Sorry to read Kozuka was injured. He is a lovely skater. I adore so many things about Yuzuru but i felt his Free should not have been placed quite as close to Dai's. Should have been closer between them for the Gold. I often think Dai should have even more 10s for performance execution and interpretation of music. How can this part be any better? Japan is so lucky to have Dai, and Yuzuru. Its unfortunate there are so many talented Japanese men who may not be able to get to Worlds, or Olympics. Alexei Yagudin who i adored was not national champion when he won Olympics, or even Worlds. It hopefully should not hurt Dai to not win Nationals.