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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Well-well. The quilty party is that Olympic requirement that allows only citizens to represent the coutry. At the age of globalization and intergration such a citizenship demand is stupid to say the least.
    I agree. If they are good to rep Japan at Worlds, I don't understand why citizenship has to limit Olympic chances. If Japan allows a foreigner to rep them, IOC should get their heads out of the equation.

    I do believe Narumi is at fault here (with the backing of JSF). Mervin has blatantly said that Narumi called it off and it was not a mutual decision. With injury, I doubt she would call the partnership off without having a plan B already. I feel so bad for Mervin, he was a great partner to her. Sad she had to give him this end of the stick. I'm so upset....

    So from what I'm reading, it seems like it won't be easy for Mervin to go back to Canada and join Skate Canada? I don't really understand.
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    This is a bummer, but I can't say I'm surprised. The citizenship issue was a definitely a huge roadblock and I can't say I blame him for being hesitant to give up his citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    either Narumi already has a Japanese partner in waiting
    So what even if she indeed has some Japanese partner in waiting. I think it's quite obvious that with the current level of pair skating in Japan she has no chances to repeat or betteren her success she had with Mervin. Seems like she is being blatantly used by JSF as some pair skater who will be the last at Team Olympic Event. But they do NEED one pair to compete and medal there. Either she is a fool or her injury is serious enough to compete internationally at the same level as she did last season. So she agreed to make a deal with JSF in exchange of at least Team Event Olympic medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    So what even if she indeed has some Japanese partner in waiting. I think it's quite obvious that with the current level of pair skating in Japan she has no chances to repeat or betteren her success she had with Mervin. Seems like she is being blatantly used by JSF as some pair skater who will be the last at Team Olympic Event. But they do NEED one pair to compete and medal there. Either she is a fool or her injury is serious enough to compete internationally at the same level as she did last season. So she agreed to make a deal with JSF in exchange of at least Team Event Olympic medal.
    why would she split up for her injury to rush for 2014 ? given they never had that great chances for 2014 but 2018 was an option for them
    I doubt Narumi would have that great chances for the Team Event either, though citizenship would have been the dealbreaker here, it could have been Mervin who had issues as well, he had to wait for some time to be even considered to get a citizenship and he may had doubts of relinquishing his canadian ctizenship

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    IMO, LetsTalk is right. The JSF has found a partner for Narumi and they will represent Japan at the team event in 2012. But they will likely finish last, as Japan has no pairs coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    So what even if she indeed has some Japanese partner in waiting. I think it's quite obvious that with the current level of pair skating in Japan she has no chances to repeat or betteren her success she had with Mervin. Seems like she is being blatantly used by JSF as some pair skater who will be the last at Team Olympic Event. But they do NEED one pair to compete and medal there. Either she is a fool or her injury is serious enough to compete internationally at the same level as she did last season. So she agreed to make a deal with JSF in exchange of at least Team Event Olympic medal.
    You may be right that the Olympic team event is a factor. The JSF does need a pair for that event and, once it became clear Mervin wasn't getting Japanese citizenship for 2014, maybe the JSF and Narumi started to consider other options. Maybe it kicked into high gear once Narumi was back in Japan for her shoulder treatment. What if the JSF found her a potential Japanese partner and said--okay, compete with him in the team event in 2014, and then maybe by 2018 you'll be good enough as a team to win a medal in the pairs event? Just a hypothethical idea, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    why would she split up for her injury to rush for 2014 ? given they never had that great chances for 2014 but 2018 was an option for them
    I doubt Narumi would have that great chances for the Team Event either, though citizenship would have been the dealbreaker here, it could have been Mervin who had issues as well, he had to wait for some time to be even considered to get a citizenship and he may had doubts of relinquishing his canadian ctizenship
    I think it was definitely more Narumi than Mervin on this. His tweet pretty much says it. If he made part of the decision, I'd like to believe he wouldn't have put Narumi on the spot. Considering his personality through the interviews I've seen talking about their partnership relationship.
    Now that the cat is out of the bag. I want to say that I hate cats and this is not what I was shopping for. But Narumi has decided, its over

    Mervin has tougher competition in Canada too, we already have 2 neck to neck pairs team and there's really not much room for him and said future new partner right now. Maybe if we do well enough for a 3rd spot. Guess we'll have to see after London but at this point, it might be better for him to consider the states as one of his options.

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    [QUOTE=starryxskies;691346
    Mervin has tougher competition in Canada too, we already have 2 neck to neck pairs team and there's really not much room for him and said future new partner right now. Maybe if we do well enough for a 3rd spot. Guess we'll have to see after London but at this point, it might be better for him to consider the states as one of his options.[/QUOTE]

    This I don't agree with. Yes, Canada has some pretty good pairs with D/R, MT-M, and, at a lesser level, L/S and D/W. However, MT-M's spot on the Canadian podium is vulnerable, as events showed last year, and there's no doubt in my mind that, with the right partner, Mervin could pass a couple of these pairs.

    The trouble with the Canadian pairs is they're all noted for their athleticism, not their artistry. And in the pairs event, PCS scores and pairs quality trumps all. T/T's strength was their artistry, interpretive ability, and lovely unison and pairs quality. Which is not to say Mervin would have all those same attributes with another partner, but if he chooses well, the potential is there. I always felt he was the more artistically talented half of the T/T team.

    All this said, as an American pairs fan, I would be beyond happy if Mervin chose an American partner and sought U.S. citizenship. Heavens, with the state of U.S. pairs, Mervin would have a decent shot at winning Nationals in his first season, should he choose to skate for us!

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    NOooo My fav pair from Junior Words 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    IMO, LetsTalk is right. The JSF has found a partner for Narumi and they will represent Japan at the team event in 2012. But they will likely finish last, as Japan has no pairs coaches.
    The biggest part is finding a suitable partner, they could train abroad or bring someone in.


    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    All this said, as an American pairs fan, I would be beyond happy if Mervin chose an American partner and sought U.S. citizenship. Heavens, with the state of U.S. pairs, Mervin would have a decent shot at winning Nationals in his first season, should he choose to skate for us!
    Well, Mervin and Rockne are of comparable height, right? if Rockne is still partnerless, I don't know how many pairs ladies are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    Well, Mervin and Rockne are of comparable height, right? if Rockne is still partnerless, I don't know how many pairs ladies are available.
    You're right, Mervin and Rockne are both listed as 5'9", so that will definitely make Mervin's partner search harder. Narumi was absolutely tiny--just 4'9"--which made her a good match for Mervin.

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    I think this breakup is a tactical move by JSF regarding the Team Event at Sochi. JMO

    Given Narumi and Mervin's situation with the citizenship issue I am not surprised. Disappointed that they will
    not be skating as team, but not surprised. Wishing the best for both Narumi and Mervin.

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    Btw, why he couldnt get a Japanese citizenship concidering it was about competing for Japan in Olys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Well-well. The quilty party is that Olympic requirement that allows only citizens to represent the coutry. At the age of globalization and intergration such a citizenship demand is stupid to say the least.
    That's the difference between the Olympics and World championships. If the requirements were the same, there would be no need for Worlds in an Olympic year. It is what also makes a difference in team sports like hockey, basketball, etc. where there are many multinational players on professional teams, who now have to compete with their country. It makes the Olympics more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Btw, why he couldnt get a Japanese citizenship concidering it was about competing for Japan in Olys?
    He would have to give up his Canadian citizenship and Japanese citizenship is REALLY difficult to get.

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