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Thread: Asada, Kim begin road to second Olympic showdown

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Who can beat YUNA technically? If she has the jump content she did in Vancouver, skates relatively clean, she would win. I wonder if artistically she can compete with half a dozen better skaters. Jumps return to ladies via ms Kim. Jump fans should be thrilled she is back.
    Kostner on a really special earth-moon-star-apollo 13 aligned day.
    7 triples without edge/UR call, with level 4 steps and spins will blow everyone out of the water, including Yuna in Vancouver.

    The problem is this girl can't skate a clean program. But she can. Hypothetically speaking, of course. I would cry like a baby the day Kostner delivers this kind of program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I wonder if artistically she can compete with half a dozen better skaters.
    Not trying to sound so Yunamaniac, but I gotta disagree. Yuna is a reason I fell in love with skating again - and it was one of her programs where she fell. She gets the subtlety and depth of expression that I've always longed for in skating, which is different from broadway-esque American figure. It's not even about nationality, since I didn't know she was Korean. After the 2007 Worlds, the JAPANESE media advertised her as the artistic skater vs Mao of 3A.

    And yes... I do enjoy her undisputable jumps, too.
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    I don't imagine this would be the showdown for gold because Mao is so far off her 2010 form and she hasn't been able to regain it since. Yes she has had personal obstacles but even her better jumps, like the 3F, are UR'ed. I think the only possible threat for YuNa will be Adelina. She is the only one who can match YuNa's jumps and score well enough on PCS to keep it close. Adelina is far off her best right now but hopefully in another year she will be better prepared. Perhaps Liza could compete if she had a complete overhaul like Kwan in 1995-96. Outside of the two young Russians I think everyone else gives up too many points on TES or PCS to catch YuNa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
    I think the only possible threat for YuNa will be Adelina. She is the only one who can match YuNa's jumps and score well enough on PCS to keep it close. Adelina is far off her best right now but hopefully in another year she will be better prepared. Perhaps Liza could compete if she had a complete overhaul like Kwan in 1995-96. Outside of the two young Russians I think everyone else gives up too many points on TES or PCS to catch YuNa.
    I didn't want to bring her up, but I agree about Adelina. If, huge if, she could get herself together and skate clean, she should score extremly well. Adelina flutzes, but she goes for 7 triples, and her jumps are just as huge and powerful as YuNas. She's is a very good spinner too.
    Liza is tough, because I'm not sure she can work on her SS enough to be a thread for YuNa.

    Anyway, I think Mao and Caro are very well still in the game. Both need to step it up technically, but both are on their way to do so. Honestly, I think if Caro manages a clean 7-triple FS, she's the winner of the night. The main question still is who's going to deliver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Kostner on a really special earth-moon-star-apollo 13 aligned day.
    7 triples without edge/UR call, with level 4 steps and spins will blow everyone out of the water, including Yuna in Vancouver.
    LOL no skater in history would beat, let alone blow away the Yu Na in Vancouver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Who can beat YUNA technically? If she has the jump content she did in Vancouver, skates relatively clean, she would win. I wonder if artistically she can compete with half a dozen better skaters. Jumps return to ladies via ms Kim. Jump fans should be thrilled she is back.
    Yu Na has consistently had the highest PCS of any lady thoughout her career.

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    I am optimistic that fans from both camps have matured these past years, and should be capable of watching them competing against the current crop of ladies more pragmatically. There are many new blood on the scene, and they are all worthy competitors by Sochi. Although it hasn't lost on me that their career does seem to behave like some sort weird magnetic fated Yoyo thing going on. Together, they do make the sport better and we are lucky to have them both.

    I find it hugely ironic for example, Mao just had her best GP performance in 3 seasons (she missed the GPF in 2009, 2010 and last year was entirely understandable) and finally won the GPF again in 2012 in Yuna's absence. Then by some weird twist of fate, the VERY next day at a complete different event, Yuna came back after many doubted her return for almost 2 years - then proceed to break 200, highest these 3 season since she left. The difference is the reigning Olympic Champion is at a humble B event bending to the new ISU rule changes, while the new GPF winner has the new Sochi Olympic arena all by herself along with other best senior ladies of the season (minus Kostner), at the biggest Figure skating event so far to an 70% empty rink! If the skating is so amazing, why is it empty? What about Youtube interests? If I was to write a sport movie, I couldn't have written it more dramatic and starker in contrast.

    Yuna herself doesn't seems so ambitious about it, she just want to ensure there are still some spots for Korea as well as become an IOC member, while Mao seems to have her sight squarely on the gold for the last 4 years. So what will happen in the next 14 months? It might be more about media sensation and the political play than themselves I fear.

    In any case, I am just looking forward to great ladies figure skating again leading to Sochi, especially now Yuna is back which seems to have inspired Kostner attempting 7 triple programs again include the Lutz... this is a good thing, regardless of whatever the results. They are world champions, they should lead by example. Afterall, a sport is only good as its very bests, and what's better than an OGM OSM returning for 2nd rounds against all the odds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Yu Na has consistently had the highest PCS of any lady thoughout her career.
    I don't want to spoil the kim party here, but through her PCS has always been high, when it comes to the technical elements there was NOTHING in her layout that really stood out as exceptional, the only reason why her tech is so high is because she is gifted with big goe, which was and still is enough to cover the mistakes she usuelly makes in her program. Her technical base value is not that high and her non-jump elements are all over the place in terms of levels, so what keeps her scores high is the huge PCS and goe she receives!


    the funny thing for me is that you guys seem to have forgotten the actual performance of kim due to her high score, she has alot of work to do on every part of her skating her spins, steps, stamina, flexibility, edgework........

    Another thing is that some of you seem to think of Kim performance at vancouver as something unbeautable, well through she received an outrages score there, if one looks at her techical BV, once again it wasn't really that high but it once again the goe that she received that made her score alot higher.

    After the vancouver games some of the flaws of COP where corrected, one of them was reducing the amount og goe, so the same performance at vancouver would not score anywhere near today!
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    Kim deserved her very high GOEs. The quality of her jumps were much better than anyone elses, only Ito and Harding have ever had stronger jumps, and the quality of her spins and footwork were also first rate in execution. Like a well noted Mao Asada fanatic would be an objective source in evaluating Kims scores anyway, lol! If Kim were such a judges favorite she would have won both the 2008 and 2011 Worlds, both which the judges could have easily given her but didnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Kim deserved her very high GOEs. The quality of her jumps were much better than anyone elses, only Ito and Harding have ever had stronger jumps, and the quality of her spins and footwork were also first rate in execution. Like a well noted Mao Asada fanatic would be an objective source in evaluating Kims scores anyway, lol! If Kim were such a judges favorite she would have won both the 2008 and 2011 Worlds, both which the judges could have easily given her but didnt.
    well you are free to believe that kim deserved or still deserves the huge amount of goe and PCS she receives, I didn't expect a kim-fanatic to be objective, afterall according to you Kim deserves everything nothing would ever be considered outrages in her score, no matter what she receives!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    I don't want to spoil the kim party here, but through her PCS has always been high, when it comes to the technical elements there was NOTHING in her layout that really stood out as exceptional, the only reason why her tech is so high is because she is gifted with big goe...
    After the vancouver games some of the flaws of COP where corrected, one of them was reducing the amount og goe, so the same performance at vancouver would not score anywhere near today!
    Carry on.... you are getting more adorable every time you post, clearly a VIP in the Kim's party that makes it the most lively one around. So let's see... quality of execution and performance shouldn't be important, and UR/Wrong edge means even less. Gee... no wonder it explains the poor state of ladies today.

    For the record, Kim's BV during the Olympics was highest on both her SP (34.90 vs 34.40) and LP (60.90 vs 55.86) compare with Mao,
    so was her TES from her SP(44.70 vs 41.50) and LP (FS: 78.30 vs 65.68) with no negative GOEs. She was clean and put on a performance of a life time. You should give credit where credit is due. Regardless of the NEW adjusted scale value due to the rules changes that seems to design repress one skater and prop another against the better judgement of this sport. She beat Mao fair and square there. Mao now has all the rules and new scale of values in her favour, let's see if she can bring it when it count. All these other talk and hysterics are pretty useless.

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    Lest we forget...Yu Na lost the gold to Miki Ando just two years ago. And before that, she lost to Mao (twice) and Miki (another time). I agree she is probably unbeatable if she skates a clean short program (with the 3-3) and does nothing worse than pop a solo triple in the long program.

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    Ah... It didn't mean she always satisfy this element, but she has some element basically, so she usually has great GOE

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    LOL no skater in history would beat, let alone blow away the Yu Na in Vancouver.
    Kostner with a 7 triples will blow Kim out of the water.
    If she skates a clean 7 triples, you think the judges will give Kim with 6 triples a win? This is Kostner, not Tuktamisheva.

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    I agree with those who see Sotnikova as the only newbie threat right now. Her consistency and confidence have taken serious hits in the last season BUT make no mistake, if she were to hit all her tricks and go clean, she'll be on that podium. To quote Scott, Adelina has everything: gorgeous lines and extension, flexibility, speed, solid edges, humongous and difficult jumps, great spins, presentation, personality and that all important spark. Yeah, she has a flutz but that's a minor issue...everything else is incredible. Her major roadblock is her nerves. If by some miracle she's able to about-face and get herself together, she'll be a gold medal threat.

    Liza T has the technical content but lacks too many other things; Julia has guts but I don't think she'll be soup by Sochi; Gracie has the technical content but will need a Kwan-esque transformation to get her presentation where it needs to be to compete with the likes of Yu-Na, Mao, Carolina and the other top ladies.

    It's been nearly four years but the landscape hasn't shifted much for the ladies. 7 of the top 10 finishers are still competitive or aiming to come back for Sochi:
    1. Kim - Yes
    2. Asada - Yes
    3. Rochette - No
    4. Nagasu - Yes
    5. Ando - Possibly
    6. Lepisto - No
    7. Flatt - No
    8. Suzuki - Possibly
    9. Leonova - Yes
    10. Makarova -Yes

    Comparing it to the Torino top 10 who went on to compete in Vancouver:
    1. Arakawa - No
    2. Cohen - No
    3. Slutskaya - No
    4. Suguri - No
    5. Rochette - Yes
    6. Meissner - No
    7. Hughes - No
    8. Meier - Yes
    9. Kostner - Yes
    10. Gedevanishvili - Yes

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