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drivingmissdaisy

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But that's what I mean by Michelle didn't really do COP. She trained for the 6.0 system all her life, so of course, with her work & talent, she was the best 6.0 lady.

But if she'd trained for COP all her life, she would've been a great COP lady. Sorry I wasn't more clear in my comment.

I too think she could have excelled at COP, simply because she was able to adapt herself to whatever was required of her over the 10 years she was at the highest levels of the sport. I'm glad she wasn't a COP skater though because I enjoy going back and watching great 6.0 programs more than I do great COP programs. My favorites from Michelle, Midori, G&G, and Boitano would have looked much different under COP.
 

gkelly

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Jul 26, 2003
I don't think she would have been on the list: she was the best 6.0 lady skater ever, she was just perfect for the 6.0, but her spins would have always been level 1 or 2 (she actually didn't have great spins considering even the 6.0 standard!): the "difficult variations" she could perform were not a lot, and she had done the same spins for ages, changing your elements completely at 25 would have been too much even for the Kween, I think;

At various points in her actual 6.0 career, Kwan showed enough spin variations to suggest that, at her physical peak, she would have been able to put them together in different combinations to achieve a few level 3 spins, if not level 4, depending what year's rules we're talking about. If she had grown up with IJS and started training things like back flexibility and edge changes all along, no doubt she would have been able to achieve more features than those we saw from her in actual programs.

Still, she was not naturally extremely flexible nor a particularly fast spinner, so it might have been hard for her to add multiple features and maintain high quality in the same spin. Maybe she would have had to make choices between level 3/4 with 0 or -1 GOE vs. level 1/2 with +1 GOE. If this had been an issue at the peak of her career, no doubt her choice of strategy would have influenced the direction that other skaters chose to take. (Slutskaya and Cohen being more flexible and faster spinners at the top levels in the early years of IJS no doubt had their own influence.)

then, her jumps would have seldom received +2 or +3, only her loop or salchow maybe, because her lutz and flip didn't have take off edges as clean as the CoP requires;

And her double axel could have gotten the most pluses, especially in her early/mid-teens.

then, her TR and CH marks would have been probably not so high, watching her Tosca/Bolero: they are beautiful programs (especially the first one!), but they didn't have a lot of transitions, and the choreographies were not CoP friendly, I'm afraid to say...

Again, if she had been designing her programs to win, at the points in her career when winning was well within her reach, she would have emphasized the qualities that the rules and judging trends told her what would be rewarded. E.g., it seemed that after about 2000 she reduced the complexity of her programs because she believed that she needed to maintain more speed throughout the program to compete with a superfast skater like Slutskaya. If there had been clear places to reward transitions and complex choreography, Kwan might have been rewarded enough there to encourage her to make a different choice.

We'll never know, because the rules didn't change until she was at the end of her career struggling with injury. But I have no doubt that Kwan would have found ways to win approximately as often as she actually did, under different rules, during the period when she was at her peak.

But if she'd trained for COP all her life, she would've been a great COP lady. Sorry I wasn't more clear in my comment.

Exactly.
 

skatel80

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Nov 12, 2012
I don't think she would have been on the list: she was the best 6.0 lady skater ever, she was just perfect for the 6.0, but her spins would have always been level 1 or 2 (she actually didn't have great spins considering even the 6.0 standard!): the "difficult variations" she could perform were not a lot, and she had done the same spins for ages, changing your elements completely at 25 would have been too much even for the Kween, I think; then, her jumps would have seldom received +2 or +3, only her loop or salchow maybe, because her lutz and flip didn't have take off edges as clean as the CoP requires; then, her TR and CH marks would have been probably not so high, watching her Tosca/Bolero: they are beautiful programs (especially the first one!), but they didn't have a lot of transitions, and the choreographies were not CoP friendly, I'm afraid to say...

You cant really say that skaters who only really competed under 6.0 ( though kwan did compete maybe once (?) under cop would not have been good cop skaters, if there had been any reason to do alot of difficult variations Im sure a skater of her calibre would have been perfectly capable, she was probably able to do many difficult spin variarions in practice but there was no incentive to do them in competition. also there are many skaters who compete under cop who are not good spinners ( joubert, KVDP, flatt) who still manage to get high levels. I remember back when I competed ( in 6.0) my friends and I would always practice spins which we thought looked cool, just for that reason, I dont remember ever competing with any of them because there was no need ( and I was not exactly lucinda ruh :eek::)
 

wonderlen3000

Final Flight
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Nov 8, 2008
It will be hard to compare score by score since there had been changes in rules and base points for elements and jumps. Both Irina and Sasha was during early COP periods. When Sasha had her 130+ score, her PCS was like 68+ something. Not sure how many triples she landed. Also in 2005 World Irina had 130+ score and that was one of her jump not got credited as she did three 3Lo and zayet out the rule. Had she replace that with simple 3T, she would have score close to 135ish.

I say COP score for lady was pretty much max out at Winter olympic where skater are allows to repeat three 2A and GOE was not average out to reflect the base value. So you can still have massive +GOE for simple jump like 2T etc.

After 2010, the spiral was taken out in SP and 2A was reduce back to 3.3. And also spiral only given one level in LP so, for skater like Miki who had highest score after 2010 so far can potentially add 4-5 points to her record.
 

wonderlen3000

Final Flight
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Nov 8, 2008
I don't think we'll ever see 150 score again, but Yuna can def crack 140 again. And if Adelina and Tuk can skates to their potential, and with better improve PCS and maybe some Sochi bonus they can def crack 130+ score.
 

aftertherain

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Jan 15, 2010
I don't think she would have been on the list: she was the best 6.0 lady skater ever, she was just perfect for the 6.0, but her spins would have always been level 1 or 2 (she actually didn't have great spins considering even the 6.0 standard!): the "difficult variations" she could perform were not a lot, and she had done the same spins for ages, changing your elements completely at 25 would have been too much even for the Kween, I think; then, her jumps would have seldom received +2 or +3, only her loop or salchow maybe, because her lutz and flip didn't have take off edges as clean as the CoP requires; then, her TR and CH marks would have been probably not so high, watching her Tosca/Bolero: they are beautiful programs (especially the first one!), but they didn't have a lot of transitions, and the choreographies were not CoP friendly, I'm afraid to say...

I think if Michelle had grown up with CoP--like we're seeing with Yuzuru Hanyu and Julia Lipinskaya now-- it might've been a different case. An example would be that I remember Michelle had done a 2A+2T in her LP during 1994-1995 season (when she was 13/14 years old), which could very well have been upgraded to a 2A+3T if she felt she needed to. But you're right, she was a 6.0 skater through and through (but she was darn good at it).
 

heyang

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Jul 26, 2003
Michele did compete under COP at her last World's. She finished in 4th place .37 pts off the podium, which was also her last international competition.

We can only presume that she had COP friendly programs for 2006 since the USFSA aproved her for the Olympic team.
 

aftertherain

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Michele did compete under COP at her last World's. She finished in 4th place .37 pts off the podium, which was also her last international competition.

We can only presume that she had COP friendly programs for 2006 since the USFSA aproved her for the Olympic team.

This is true, but it's really nowhere near accurate to base a skater on the results of a single event. The "downfall", so to speak, of her at 2005 Worlds was her reluctance to compete at earlier GP events, which lead to her being way unfamiliar with CoP.

(Side note: I didn't really like "Carmina Burana" either.)
 
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Ruffles78

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Oct 17, 2011
Michele did compete under COP at her last World's. She finished in 4th place .37 pts off the podium, which was also her last international competition.

We can only presume that she had COP friendly programs for 2006 since the USFSA aproved her for the Olympic team.

I know I've had to mention this before, but one of the officials after the test skate did say she had level 3/4 spins and another said she could potentially win the games.
 

pangtongfan

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Jun 16, 2010
Michele did compete under COP at her last World's. She finished in 4th place .37 pts off the podium, which was also her last international competition.

We can only presume that she had COP friendly programs for 2006 since the USFSA aproved her for the Olympic team.

One doesnt have to presume anything based on her being named to the Olympic team. The 3rd U.S lady that year was a weak skater who had no chance of a top 5 finish (Emily Hughes) and who had skated very poorly at Nationals to make her spot. Kwan did not have to be a serious medal contender, the publicity and extra ratings alone were enough reason to send her, and no matter what shape she was in she was likely to finish higher than Hughes anyway (Hughes finished much higher than anyone expected with her 7th place).
 

FSGMT

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Sep 10, 2012
I've compiled also the list of the 10 highest scores ever for the SP:
1) Yu-Na Kim 78.50 2010 Olympics
2) Yu-Na Kim 76.28 2009 Skate America
3) Yu-Na Kim 76.12 2009 Worlds
4) Yu-Na Kim 76.08 2009 TEB
5) Mao Asada 75.84 2009 WTT
6) Mao Asada 73.78 2010 Olympics
7) Mao Asada 72.92 2007 Nationals
8) Yu-Na Kim 72.27 2012 NRW Trophy
9) Yu-Na Kim 72.24 2009 4CC
10) Yu-Na Kim 71.95 2007 Worlds
Rather a domination here! :biggrin:
 
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I don't think she would have been on the list: she was the best 6.0 lady skater ever, she was just perfect for the 6.0, but her spins would have always been level 1 or 2 (she actually didn't have great spins considering even the 6.0 standard!): the "difficult variations" she could perform were not a lot, and she had done the same spins for ages, changing your elements completely at 25 would have been too much even for the Kween, I think; then, her jumps would have seldom received +2 or +3, only her loop or salchow maybe, because her lutz and flip didn't have take off edges as clean as the CoP requires; then, her TR and CH marks would have been probably not so high, watching her Tosca/Bolero: they are beautiful programs (especially the first one!), but they didn't have a lot of transitions, and the choreographies were not CoP friendly, I'm afraid to say...

The choreography not being CoP friendly is not a measure of Michelle's abilities but of the demands of choreography at the time. Of course it wasn't CoP friendly because she was not skating to CoP. Lori Nichol, Kwan's best and most compatible choreographer, has since become a splendid CoP choreographer, with her work helping skaters to win OGMs in both men's and pairs in 2010. Surely if Michelle were at her physical peak and skating now, she would have programs that would give her the most points for her efforts.

In any case, I no more regret Michelle being a 6.0 skater (and what a skater!) than I regret that John Curry did some double jumps in his 1976 Olympic long program. These two skaters were among the best of their era, but they weren't training to skate in 2010. Just imagine how terrible Yuzuru Hanyu would have been at school figures--unless, that is, he had trained for them since childhood.
 

FSGMT

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Sep 10, 2012
Here's the updated ranking:
1) Yu-Na Kim 150.06 Olympics 2010
2) Yu-Na Kim 148.34 Worlds 2013
3) Joannie Rochette 144.08 Canadian Nationals 2010
4) Carolina Kostner 143.56 Italian nationals 2013
5) Mao Asada 140.62 Japan Nationals 2007
6) Miki Ando 137.58 Japan Nationals 2011
7) Miki Ando 135.50 Japan Nationals 2008
7) Mao Asada 135.50 Japan Nationals 2010
9) Miki Ando 134.76 4CC 2011
10) Elena Radionova 134.52 Russian Cup IV 2012
Unfortunately, Mao's Worlds FS and Akiko's NHK and WTT FS scores are not high enough to come into this...
 

Jammers

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The scores for Nationals should not be listed. Everyone knows how inflated they are.
 

Krislite

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Sep 22, 2010
Here's the updated ranking:
1) Yu-Na Kim 150.06 Olympics 2010
2) Yu-Na Kim 148.34 Worlds 2013
3) Joannie Rochette 144.08 Canadian Nationals 2010
4) Carolina Kostner 143.56 Italian nationals 2013
5) Mao Asada 140.62 Japan Nationals 2007
6) Miki Ando 137.58 Japan Nationals 2011
7) Miki Ando 135.50 Japan Nationals 2008
7) Mao Asada 135.50 Japan Nationals 2010
9) Miki Ando 134.76 4CC 2011
10) Elena Radionova 134.52 Russian Cup IV 2012
Unfortunately, Mao's Worlds FS and Akiko's NHK and WTT FS scores are not high enough to come into this...

If you're going to include nationals, then Yuna's 145.80 FS from Korean National 2013 should count. That makes the top 3 scores all by Yuna Kim. :biggrin:
 

FSGMT

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If you're going to include nationals, then Yuna's 145.80 FS from Korean National 2013 should count. That makes the top 3 scores all by Yuna Kim. :biggrin:
Oh, that's right! Thank you! So:
1) Yu-Na Kim 150.06 Olympics 2010
2) Yu-Na Kim 148.34 Worlds 2013
3) Yu-Na Kim 145.80 Korean Nationals 2013
4) Joannie Rochette 144.08 Canadian Nationals 2010
5) Carolina Kostner 143.56 Italian nationals 2013
6) Mao Asada 140.62 Japan Nationals 2007
7) Miki Ando 137.58 Japan Nationals 2011
8) Miki Ando 135.50 Japan Nationals 2008
8) Mao Asada 135.50 Japan Nationals 2010
10) Miki Ando 134.76 4CC 2011
 

christinaskater

Medalist
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Mar 21, 2005
Personal Best

Ladies

Total Score

Name Nat. Event Date Score
1 Yuna KIM KOR XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 228.56 S
2 Mao ASADA JPN XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 205.50 S
3 Joannie ROCHETTE CAN XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 202.64 S
4 Miki ANDO JPN Four Continents Championships 2011 20.02.2011 201.34 S
5 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU World Team Trophy 2013 13.04.2013 199.58 S
6 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS Cup of Russia 2005 26.11.2005 198.06 S
7 Carolina KOSTNER ITA World Championships 2013 16.03.2013 197.89 S
8 Sasha COHEN USA MasterCard Skate Canada Int. 2003 01.11.2003 197.60 S
9 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013 193.99 S
10 Ashley WAGNER USA Four Continents Championships 2012 11.02.2012 192.41 S
11 Shizuka ARAKAWA JPN XX Olympic Winter Games 2006 23.02.2006 191.34 S
12 Mirai NAGASU USA XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 190.15 S
13 Kimmie MEISSNER USA World Championships 2006 25.03.2006 189.87 S
14 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN World Championships 2013 16.03.2013 189.73 S
15 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013 188.85 S
16 Gracie GOLD USA ISU World Team Trophy 2013 13.04.2013 188.03 S
17 Laura LEPISTÖ FIN XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 187.97 S
18 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS World Junior Championships 2012 03.03.2012 187.05 J
19 Alena LEONOVA RUS World Championships 2012 31.03.2012 184.28 S
20 Zijun LI CHN World Championships 2013 16.03.2013 183.85 S
21 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012 182.86 J
22 Rachael FLATT USA XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 182.49 S
23 Alissa CZISNY USA World Championships 2011 30.04.2011 182.25 S
24 Fumie SUGURI JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2004 13.12.2003 182.08 S
25 Jennifer KIRK USA Smart Ones Skate America 2003 25.10.2003 178.77 S
26 Elena SOKOLOVA RUS World Championships 2006 25.03.2006 177.85 S
27 Cynthia PHANEUF CAN World Championships 2010 27.03.2010 177.54 S
28 Yukari NAKANO JPN World Championships 2008 20.03.2008 177.40 S
29 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012 177.19 S
30 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN World Championships 2013 16.03.2013 176.82 S
 

christinaskater

Medalist
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Personal Best

Ladies

Short Program Score

Name Nat. Event Date Score
1 Yuna KIM KOR XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 23.02.2010 78.50 S
2 Mao ASADA JPN ISU World Team Trophy 16.04.2009 75.84 S
3 Joannie ROCHETTE CAN XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 23.02.2010 71.36 S
4 Sasha COHEN USA MasterCard Skate Canada Int. 2003 31.10.2003 71.12 S
5 Mirai NAGASU USA World Championships 2010 26.03.2010 70.40 S
6 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS Cup of China 2005 03.11.2005 70.22 S
7 Carolina KOSTNER ITA ISU World Team Trophy 2012 19.04.2012 69.48 S
8 Miki ANDO JPN World Championships 2007 23.03.2007 67.98 S
9 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 25.01.2013 67.61 S
10 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU World Team Trophy 2012 19.04.2012 67.51 S
11 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN World Championships 2013 14.03.2013 66.64 S
12 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 07.12.2012 66.44 S
13 Shizuka ARAKAWA JPN XX Olympic Winter Games 2006 21.02.2006 66.02 S
14 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN World Championships 2013 14.03.2013 64.73 S
15 Kimmie MEISSNER USA World Championships 2007 23.03.2007 64.67 S
16 Rachael FLATT USA XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 23.02.2010 64.64 S
17 Alena LEONOVA RUS World Championships 2012 29.03.2012 64.61 S
18 Laura LEPISTÖ FIN World Championships 2010 26.03.2010 64.30 S
19 Kiira KORPI FIN European Championships 2010 22.01.2010 64.26 S
20 Alissa CZISNY USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2011 22.10.2011 64.20 S
 
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