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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Mao doesn't need 5 clean triples. That's too many. Like 2 or 3.
    No, I seriously doubt 3 triples will hold her up at worlds. The reason she got away with it so far this season is b/c of the skaters she was up against. Lipniskaya is a newcomer and the rest of her skating doesn't measure up to Mao's; plus she didn't skate all that cleanly at COC herself. The judges gave Mao the win and I agreed with that. For whatever reason the judges don't seem to like to give Akiko her due so at NHK (home field advantage) the #1 Japanese lady was held up to win. The GPF was a bit of a splatfest with both Ashley and Akiko falling twice. Mao didn't have a lot of ratified triples but she was the clear winner that night.

    But against Yu-Na and Carolina she won't be able to get by with so few triple jumps. If Ashley has a stellar performance she'll beat Mao as well. The level of competition will be much higher at worlds so Mao will have to deliver in order to win or place well.

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    personnally i would see from the u.s.
    ashley if she medals at worlds, olympics,
    alissa,
    the others mirai, caroline, gracie, agnes, will probably stay in. unless money problems for caroline zhang out. helped agnes with money problems getting assignments and such, gracie, i don't know why no one bothered to state anything about usfsa helping caroline zhang with money problems.
    rachel, and christina on the fence due to them being in college, might want to finish college and than come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    But against Yu-Na and Carolina she won't be able to get by with so few triple jumps. If Ashley has a stellar performance she'll beat Mao as well. The level of competition will be much higher at worlds so Mao will have to deliver in order to win or place well.
    To be fair to Mao, Yuna and Carolina don't consistently turn out 6 triples LP. I think most likely both girls will have 5 triples.
    If Mao wants to win, she will need to out jump these two. PCS are close between the three. The cleanest will win. Don't think Yuna will run away with PCS like in Vancouver again.

    Ashley, Akiko, Liza can do 3 triples SP, 7 triples LP and won't place on the podium if any of the top girls are remotely clean. They are always second tier skaters. Just like a bunch of hyenas laughing hysterically thinking they are top dogs when no lionesses are around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Mao doesn't need 5 clean triples. That's too many. Like 2 or 3.
    To beat an even decent Yu Na Kim, Mao will need atleast 6 triples. However if Yu Na Kim kills the SP and takes a big lead like usual, she might need 7 and the triple axel and or a triple-triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    No, I seriously doubt 3 triples will hold her up at worlds. The reason she got away with it so far this season is b/c of the skaters she was up against. Lipniskaya is a newcomer and the rest of her skating doesn't measure up to Mao's; plus she didn't skate all that cleanly at COC herself. The judges gave Mao the win and I agreed with that. For whatever reason the judges don't seem to like to give Akiko her due so at NHK (home field advantage) the #1 Japanese lady was held up to win. The GPF was a bit of a splatfest with both Ashley and Akiko falling twice. Mao didn't have a lot of ratified triples but she was the clear winner that night.

    But against Yu-Na and Carolina she won't be able to get by with so few triple jumps. If Ashley has a stellar performance she'll beat Mao as well. The level of competition will be much higher at worlds so Mao will have to deliver in order to win or place well.
    This. Plus the judges had no issue placing Mao 6th at Worlds the past two years, and in 2011 she even skated a decent FS, not great, but not a meltdown or pop-fest like like year or NHK. So I agree that Mao will have to step it up at Worlds if she hopes to medal/win. PCS will hold her up but only to maybe 5th or 6th place, if she wants to go higher than that, she'll need the jumps. Not the 3a or a 3-3 necessarily, but get full credit for all her jumps in the SP if she keeps her current layout, and keep the URs/doubles to 1 or maybe 2 in the FS. Any more mistakes than that I don't think will cut it at Worlds.

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    Czisny is surely done by the end of 2014
    I could see Zhang and Flatt retire early soon as the new younger girls will be harder for them to compete with

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Ashley, Akiko, Liza can do 3 triples SP, 7 triples LP and won't place on the podium if any of the top girls are remotely clean. They are always second tier skaters. Just like a bunch of hyenas laughing hysterically thinking they are top dogs when no lionesses are around.
    For the most part I agree (not with the hyena part you cheeky little devil, you ) but the part about no one getting close to the top three ladies.

    However, I think of that group Ashley does have a shot if she's clean. She's got the judges and momentum on her side this season. I honestly feel like a squeaky clean Ashley (a la TEB but maybe with an extra triple, 2a-3t) will beat a lackluster Mao, Carolina or even possibly Yu-Na. If Miki could beat a shaky Yu-Na, I know Ashley can if only narrowly.

    Where Ashley places will be determined by how well the others skate. The law of averages almost guarantees someone will have an off night at worlds. If that happens and Ashley skates the way she's been skating, I could see the judges rewarding her for a clean performance. She has complete programs that have been well received by the judges all season long.

    Her program has 6 triples and if she adds a 7th, even better. All those triples combined with the strength of the program and Ashley's delivery should be enough to get her by the top names if they are flawed. Against all three ladies clean? The best she can hope for is 4th. But with mistakes...Ashley definitely has a chance.

    The overall best skate of the night should win. Reputation scoring has been running rampant this season and I really don't want to see it at worlds this year...it might be asking for too much but...

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    I also think Ashley can break through. She has done great this season and is viewed as a top tier skater internationally. Yes, the top 3 have to make mistakes for her to medal, but the fact is they do make mistakes. It could be a silly fall that throws off part of a program like Yuna did at her Nationals, or a few pops and URs that we have seen from Mao, or falls that we could see from Caro, especially considering that she appears to be attempting more difficult content. All three won't happen, but I'd be surprised if at least one doesn't. If that happens, Ashley still has to deliver her best to claim a medal but she has been as consistent as anyone out there so she can do it.

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    LOL Yu Na how she skated at her Nationals would crush Ashley. She would need to make alot more problems than that for Ashley to touch her.

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