Yu Na Kim Will Compete at Korean Nationals

**l'etoile** · 01-05-2013, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by jenaj

A fall and a popped into a single triple lutz--the idea of a short, "technical," program has really changed, hasn't it? I'll be very interested to see the protocols on this.

? I don't get your point. Are you saying the skaters who have a fall or a popped jump in SP are not technical at all? Who in the current ladies field can pull of 3lz-3t and 3f-3t at will? If that's not a technical ability, I don't know what is.

**jenaj** · 01-05-2013, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by l'etoile

? I don't get your point. Are you saying the skaters who have a fall or a popped jump in SP are not technical at all? Who in the current ladies field can pull of 3lz-3t and 3f-3t at will? If that's not a technical ability, I don't know what is.

You are correct that under the current system, fulfilling all of the technical requirements of the short program is no longer important.

**aftertherain** · 01-05-2013, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by jenaj

You are correct that under the current system, fulfilling all of the technical requirements of the short program is no longer important.

I definitely think it's because more weight is put into the "smaller" elements as well. A triple lutz is like what, six points? If she'd had done that jump, she would probably have reached her NRW score. Same with Mao and her Nationals SP with that popped triple loop.

In the end, a popped jump/fall may not make for a pretty program, but there is so much more in the program itself to be savored.

**EyesOfLove** · 01-05-2013, 11:28 AM

Wow. That took some gut to throw a 3F-3T after such disastrous start. (Having said that, I'm a bit dubious about the rotation of 3T- looks tad bit UR to my eyes) I thought she looked much more into the music and alert to the choreography, which actually showed even when she tried to hold the ending pose longer.

**babayaga** · 01-05-2013, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by aftertherain

I definitely think it's because more weight is put into the "smaller" elements as well. A triple lutz is like what, six points? If she'd had done that jump, she would probably have reached her NRW score. Same with Mao and her Nationals SP with that popped triple loop.

In the end, a popped jump/fall may not make for a pretty program, but there is so much more in the program itself to be savored.

Only Mao and Akiko got a lot of heat from posters for scoring in 60s for what they did in SP at their nationals, including sarcastic posts from one of the mods, didn't they?

Anyway, I agree with EyesOfLove, I think Yuna performed this program a lot better than at NRW and I actually start to like it. It has potential to turn into something interesting and unique with this dark but beautiful music and I hope she performs it flawlessly at Worlds. Too bad about the stupid fall, she obviously did not have enough time to recover before going into the Lutz, but it was very enjoyable nevertheless.

**FlattFan** · 01-05-2013, 12:34 PM

She did single lutz single toe as her combo.
So her 3F-3T should be 0, right?

I don't think international judges will give her credit for her 3F-3T.

**sather** · 01-05-2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by FlattFan

She did single lutz single toe as her combo.
So her 3F-3T should be 0, right?

I don't think international judges will give her credit for her 3F-3T.

No you misunderstood it. She popped her lutz - it means she didn't make it combo. Single lutz + 3F3T + 2A

**FlattFan** · 01-05-2013, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by sather

No you misunderstood it. She popped her lutz - it means she didn't make it combo. Single lutz + 3F3T + 2A

She popped her lutz, and then her free leg was in motion for the toe combo. It looks like a little hop from the video. Just because you pop the first jump doesn't mean it can't be a combo.

http://news.jtbc.co.kr/article/artic..._id=NB10226424

**figureskate** · 01-05-2013, 12:44 PM

she did a little turn after her triple lutz that could have been considered a single toe, but actually she didn't jump at all on that turn, and I didn't even notice at first sight

**jaylee** · 01-05-2013, 12:56 PM

^ Her right foot never leaves the ice, so it can't be a single toeloop.

**Krislite** · 01-05-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by FlattFan

She did single lutz single toe as her combo.
So her 3F-3T should be 0, right?

I don't think international judges will give her credit for her 3F-3T.

Look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mARusQqM_WQ

Clear broadcast version. Her blade never left the ice. She did NOT hop.

**dorispulaski** · 01-05-2013, 01:50 PM

Anyone have a link to protocols?

**gmyers** · 01-05-2013, 02:16 PM

A triple flip triple toe after an attempted triple lutz. Amazing and so different from what the other top skaters in thee world do like the current wc and the gpf champion with no lutzes or no 3/3 and the sp even has a lutz. So different and admirable from a difficulty standpoint.