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    Has the team for Jr. Worlds been announced yet?

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    Not yet. They are keeping us waiting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Not sure what you mean by "what the Russian federation did to get gosviani to euros". Gosviani beat all the others age eligible seniors (except of Adelina and Liza) in a fair competition. In fact, I think that Leonova was held up a bit, because she made similar mistakes as Makarova in the SP and while Makarova finished 10th after SP, Leonova finished 5th. I was a bit confused how come their score was so different. Anyway, despite of Leonova being held up, Gosviani managed to beat her.

    So all the Russian Federetaion did was arranging for Gosviani a competition to give her a chance to qualify. That was the least they should do for her, considering that they didn't give her any chance this season or the last one to attend international competition to get the qualifying score.

    I don't think the Russian Federation expect Leonova to skate all the time as well as she did at Worlds 2012, but her results this season were seriously. If someone is placing 7 and 8th at her GP events (in a very limited competition -out of 10 skaters), how high (or low) do you think she would place at Europeans? My guess would be that she could end up somewhere around 15th place, and that could potentially damage her international reputation. so actually by not sending her they also protected her a bit.
    Exactly! Rather than send the world silver Medalist who lost by a point to an ineligible skater the Russian federation aggressively dumped the world silver Medalist and searched the world looking for a competition to make the ineligible skater eligible. She wasn't eligible based on her skating at test Events so wasn't sent anywhere. Leonova was dumped because of her gp event performances so they have decided leonovas career is over and they won't support it anymore even when she eligible for a competition and someone else wasn't. And there is really nothing leonova can do to change this unless she never makes a mistake ever again.
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    The Russian federation did no dumping. Leonova dumped herself. All the Russian skaters are perfectly aware that Nationals is the selection competition for Europeans. Leonova skated like crap all season. At the SP at Russian Nationals, she skated terribly and was still scored very generously. She skated terribly again in the LP and was fairly scored below Gosviani. It took no searching to send Gosviani anywhere; the competition was scheduled for a long time. How is it unfair to give a skater who finished third in terms of eligible ladies the chance to prove herself and earn the minimum score? Should Leonova coast forever on her world medal, in the world's deepest ladies field? If anything the Russian fed is being more than generous by having a test skate to allow Leonova to prove herself again and go to Worlds.

    Gosviani has been around a long time. She was very successful as a Novice, but had some growing pains since then. She did not exactly come out of nowhere.

    I think this conspiracy against Leonova exists only in your head.

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    I don't see a conspiracy. It's very open. Even though the criteria for the third spot could be anything the Russian federation decided to go with Gosviani and get her eligibility rather than see how Leonova would do. The idea was that Gosviani would be better because she was better at nationals by a point over Leonova. Leonova isn't going to worlds. What if she makes a mistake or 2 at the test skate? LOL it is over. They have made their decision on Leonova's career. Just like skaters were dumped for Leonova in 2009 now she is dumped. Of course her skating is a huge part of what happened to career that is now over. She ended it too by not staying in world silver medalist shape and making a lot of mistakes. Now the Russian federation has Gosviani and they really did go out of there way to get her to the compeition to get her eligibility for Euros. The Russian federation said the thrid spots were free of the order of nationals. Nationals did not matter for the thrid spot. It did not matter that Menshov was third. They replaced him for Kovtun. And Gosviani was no Kovtun! She didn't even get to the JGP because she skated so bad! Gosviani skated really bad for most of 2012. They really want to move on from the past and get rid of all the past in ladies and that's why Leonova has been thrown overboard. She was very inconsistent and now she's gone from the Russian team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    The idea was that Gosviani would be better because she was better at nationals by a point over Leonova. Leonova isn't going to worlds.
    No. The idea was that if you fail at every single competition you have entered this season, you aren't going to be given the benefit of doubt.

    And the Worlds team has not even been decided yet.

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    They were both failing at every competition most of the season. Gosviani has a point better nationals and the fed treats her like shes a great skater. Gets her eligibility for euros and there is no doubt really that she's going to worlds because what happens if leonova makes a mistake if she competes again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Exactly! Rather than send the world silver Medalist who lost by a point to an ineligible skater the Russian federation aggressively dumped the world silver Medalist and searched the world looking for a competition to make the ineligible skater eligible. She wasn't eligible based on her skating at test Events so wasn't sent anywhere. Leonova was dumped because of her gp event performances so they have decided leonovas career is over and they won't support it anymore even when she eligible for a competition and someone else wasn't. And there is really nothing leonova can do to change this unless she never makes a mistake ever again.
    God you are confused! Gosviani wasn't ineligible, she was just unqualified. Ineligible she would be if she was too young to compete. She was eligible, just not yet qualified. The skaters have the whole season (and the previous season) to qualify. It doesn't say WHEN you have to qualify within this and last season, so they gave her the opportunity to qualify. I can't see anything wrong on that. Considering that the Russian Federation didn't give her ANY chance within this and last season to qualify, I think it is fair that they gave her the chance now. And she got ONE chance to qualify - not like Leonova competition after competition (and useless results the whole season).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    The Russian federation did no dumping. Leonova dumped herself. All the Russian skaters are perfectly aware that Nationals is the selection competition for Europeans. Leonova skated like crap all season. At the SP at Russian Nationals, she skated terribly and was still scored very generously. She skated terribly again in the LP and was fairly scored below Gosviani. It took no searching to send Gosviani anywhere; the competition was scheduled for a long time. How is it unfair to give a skater who finished third in terms of eligible ladies the chance to prove herself and earn the minimum score? Should Leonova coast forever on her world medal, in the world's deepest ladies field? If anything the Russian fed is being more than generous by having a test skate to allow Leonova to prove herself again and go to Worlds.

    Gosviani has been around a long time. She was very successful as a Novice, but had some growing pains since then. She did not exactly come out of nowhere.

    I think this conspiracy against Leonova exists only in your head.
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    God you are confused! Gosviani wasn't ineligible, she was just unqualified. Ineligible she would be if she was too young to compete. She was eligible, just not yet qualified. The skaters have the whole season (and the previous season) to qualify. It doesn't say WHEN you have to qualify within this and last season, so they gave her the opportunity to qualify. I can't see anything wrong on that. Considering that the Russian Federation didn't give her ANY chance within this and last season to qualify, I think it is fair that they gave her the chance now. And she got ONE chance to qualify - not like Leonova competition after competition (and useless results the whole season).
    Gosviani was ineligible and unqualified for euros when she was named for the euro team. Its the same thing. Leonova was dumped by the fed fir gosviani and shes just never coming back. Look at all the things the fed did for gosviani based on one competition where she beat leonova by a point! Gosviani stunk for a whole season and that is why she was ineligible unqualified for euros because she could not get assignment because she was useless and horrible. One competion and shes sent to euros because leonova did not skate like world silver medalist and now she is useless and dumped and has no future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Exactly!
    No it is wrong in a lot of ways

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    Leonova never had a future in the first place. Even at her peak she was nowhere near as good as Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Radionova, etc. etc. etc.

    Gosviani only beat Leonova by a point at Russian Nationals because Leonova was really overmarked in the SP.

    And oh look now Gosviani has not only skated well at Russian Nationals but she's also skated well at two international competitions. So that's three to Leonova's ZERO. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Gosviani was ineligible and unqualified for euros when she was named for the euro team. Its the same thing. Leonova was dumped by the fed fir gosviani and shes just never coming back. Look at all the things the fed did for gosviani based on one competition where she beat leonova by a point! Gosviani stunk for a whole season and that is why she was ineligible unqualified for euros because she could not get assignment because she was useless and horrible. One competion and shes sent to euros because leonova did not skate like world silver medalist and now she is useless and dumped and has no future.
    So skaters that for whatever reason have not competed internationally, but improve tremendously and beat out other internationally recognized skaters who aren't skating as well should never get the chance to try and obtain the minimum scores to compete at major championships?

    Congratulations, you've found yet another way to stall the sport of figure skating.

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    She didnt have to be announced before she even had the score to go to euros to show that it wasnt a one event fluke - no that would have interfered with their dump leonova agenda. No she wasnt even eligible when they announced her for euros sending the leonova is dumped immediately. Even though she was bombing all season too and then does a grand total one point better than leoniva gosviani gets named before she was even eligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Leonova never had a future in the first place. Even at her peak she was nowhere near as good as Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Radionova, etc. etc. etc.

    Gosviani only beat Leonova by a point at Russian Nationals because Leonova was really overmarked in the SP.

    And oh look now Gosviani has not only skated well at Russian Nationals but she's also skated well at two international competitions. So that's three to Leonova's ZERO. :P
    Two internationals? What are you talking about? The competition where she singled two jumps? And at euros she messed up very bad in the sp.

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