2006 might be weak in term of TES, but PCS should be close to slightly better.
Shizuka has one of the best LPs in recent memory in term of choreography. And who could forget her Y-spiral and her Ina Bauer into the 3 jumps combo. She was smooth as silk. I think Shizuka had more standout moments than Yuna in 2010. Moments that are still talked about many years down the line. And she had never done them in competition before, which made them oh so freaking awesome. Yuna was perfect, but I couldn't recall a signature move in her program.
Sasha had better programs than Mao. Mao was awesome with the 3As (these are the moments you hold your breath thinking will she land it) but apart from that, she was forgettable, just like Kim. I only remember the sheer determination to land the 3As, but that was it.
And Joannie is no Irina. Irina SP was like one of those Jason Statham movies, crank crank crank boom! She might not be your cup of tea, but she was flying out there.
2006 O, TES was weak, but it can hold its own. Now, 2002 was a mess. The winner wouldn't place top 5 in 2006 or 2010.
Irina's presentation of her SP was great in Turin (along with great technical elements of course), but her LP was simply awful in every respect the way it was skated that night, both technically and presentation. All her jumps landed high on her toepoints and barely held on to, barely finishing her spins and footwork hence why they got low levels, really slow, bad program which didnt suit her at all, and tired and lacking any of her usual energy or zest, along with being even sloppier than usual. Joannie, Nagasu, Lepisto, Flatt, from Vancouver all kill Slutskaya from Turin in the LP phase. The mere fact she probably would have won that night without her 2 major despite (she lost by less than 10 points, 8 points she would gain from the fall and tripled double, and one can assume her easily making up atleast another 2 points in PCS and GOE), despite the otherwise terrible performance and poor quality elements she performed that night apart from the 2 major misses, says it all about the standard of skating that event.
I agree Sasha had better programs in Turin than Mao in Vancouver, and Mao's programs were sadly far below her considerable artistic potential while under Tarasova. However the two, Mao from Vancouver and Sasha from Turin, skated head to head Mao would still absolutely crush Sasha based on way higher TES in both (and ridiculous as it might be Mao would probably even get the higher PCS too as we all know huge TES impacts PCS anyway). If one is just talking enjoyment factor, well that is subjective, but Sasha from Turin will mostly be remembered for the disapointment of falling twice and blowing a golden chance, story of her career, and that glosses over her otherwise beautiful LP in an artistic sense, while Mao will be remembered for making Olympic history with all those triple axels, and only losing to an unbeatable Kim.
Shizuka had a nice program but lets be real here, it wouldnt have won the Olympics any year the last two decades other than 1994 most likely. In 2010 or 1998 it might not have even won a medal of any color. She played it super safe, not doing the 3-3s since the others were falling is fine, but she could have atleast done 6 or 7 triples even without a 3-3 she didnt even do that. Even Sasha who is completely unable to do 3-3s and isnt a great jumper at all still tried 7 triples atleast, and Shizuka who can do 3-3s not only doesnt try one, but only tries 5 triples. Also while her program was nice it is not like is a historic artist like Kwan or Cohen to compensate for much lesser technical content. It doesnt stand out in history for either technical or artistic prowess, atleast her 2004 Worlds winning LP was much more of a standout.
Last edited by pangtongfan; 01-10-2013 at 07:24 PM.
Okay, but people are operating from the position that the only drama/narrative value is in the winner. I disagree with that contention. But, as kwanatic implied, it comes down to drama vs brilliance. I'd agree that 2010 was less dramatic than the earlier races. But I'd argue that the class of 2010 featured the greatest stretch of amazing performances from these athletes, which triumphs in my mind.
Here's a column by Seattle Times sports columnist Jerry Brewer http://seattletimes.com/html/jerrybr...brewer26.html:
So, the most-debated question of any Olympics has an answer now. Who should be the face of these Games?
Kim, for certain.
Not Lindsey Vonn, not Apolo Ohno, not Bode Miller.
Remember her name, and never forget how she dazzled the 2010 Winter Olympics. Remember her astounding agility, and never forget the tears she shed while gliding off the ice this night.
"I still can't believe my performance," she said. "Watching previous figure skaters, I always wondered why they cried after their performance. Crying for the first time today, I still don't know why I did."
Kim overwhelmed a worthy competitor, Mao Asada, of Japan, the silver medalist. She made you cheer when your heart said to give all your support to Canadian Joannie Rochette, who skated to a bronze medal just five days after losing her mother to a heart attack.
Kim won Korea's first gold medal in women's figure skating and its first gold in any Winter Olympics event other than speedskating. She was as electric as the stunning blue dress she wore, flawlessly executing triple flips, triple lutzes and double axels at full speed, landing so softly each time that it felt like you were watching a feather float to the ice. Then Kim would wow the crowd with her flexibility during combination spins.
The performance was so impossibly artful, so in tune with her musical selection — George Gershwin's "Concerto in F."
How about that? A 19-year-old performed to a song written 85 years ago and matched its brilliance, maybe even amplified it. She truly is Queen Yu-na.
That's her nickname back home. On this night, she fulfilled all lofty expectations with her world-record 150.06 score. Combine that with a world-record 78.5 in Tuesday's short program, and you have a 228.56 total that's every bit as impressive as Usain Bolt running 100 meters in 9.58 seconds.
Last edited by jenaj; 01-10-2013 at 11:32 PM.
^ That is, Tara and Michelle each did 7 triples (with Tara doing a triple loop/triole loop.)
Mods, do you think it would be possible to move this to its own thread "Which Ladies Olympic competition was best?" Since AC has never been to the Olympics this is obviously way off topic.
Last edited by pangtongfan; 01-10-2013 at 11:31 PM.
Not sure, btw, how many skaters, would come out looking awesome if listed by jumps/technical panels calls, in the past few years.
Also, Chuckm, can you explain what motivates you to criticize Alissa Csizny on every thread on which her name appears on GoldenSkate? There are some skaters I’m not a big fan of, too. I just, for the most part, don’t read the threads about them. Did Alissa kill your kitten?
Last edited by Pepe Nero; 01-11-2013 at 02:37 AM.
Alissa won't be skating at the Detorit club event to be held this week-end? Neither will Verner.