2013 Canadian Nats Senior Men LP

[ImaginaryPogue]

Patrick Chan's Axels
The protocols show that he did two double axels and neither one of them were in combination. The rules state that you can not repeat a jump unless it is in combo. Why was he allowed credit for both of those? I suppose one of them was probably planned to be a combo but it wasn't. Anyone know the answer or do I have that all wrong?

You can do two double axels as solo jumps. It's just the triples (and quads) that need to be done in combination if repeated.

[Jade]

Refreshing to see the American judging. Look what happened with Jeremy Abbott. You do not bring your "A" game you don't get rewarded. Even with his cache, he doubled his triple
axle made a few other errors and finished in third spot. He wont go to worlds since they can only send two. That would not happen here in Canada. What does Kevin Reynolds have to do to win,
a Quad Axle?

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Refreshing to see the American judging. Look what happened with Jeremy Abbott. You do not bring your "A" game you don't get rewarded. Even with his cache, he doubled his triple
axle made a few other errors and finished in third spot. He wont go to worlds since they can only send two. That would not happen here in Canada. What does Kevin Reynolds have to do to win,
a Quad Axle?

To be fair, the discrepancy between Abbott and Miner/Aaron is far smaller than the PCS discrepancy between Chan and Reynolds.

[Jade]

To be fair, the discrepancy between Abbott and Miner/Aaron is far smaller than the PCS discrepancy between Chan and Reynolds.

Should it have really been that different? Kevin has greatly improved in his skating skills and and should have at least won the long. The PCS is the tool used to
"fix" things.

[figuristka]

Refreshing to see the American judging. Look what happened with Jeremy Abbott. You do not bring your "A" game you don't get rewarded. Even with his cache, he doubled his triple
axle made a few other errors and finished in third spot. He wont go to worlds since they can only send two. That would not happen here in Canada. What does Kevin Reynolds have to do to win,
a Quad Axle?

There is a huge difference in what happend to Abbott( who did no quad in short or Free) where 2 competitors beat him and Patrick Chan and Kevin Reynolds. Patrick made a couple errors but still did 2 quads and one in combination, not to mention the best SS in the world, and amazing artistry. Kevin has shown great improvement but is not a powerful skater and internationally Patrick would have beaten him too.

[figuristka]

Men's short/ Free - since videos were hard to find or not available thought i would list them again.

1 Patrick Chan short http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeE5wY7-pzQ
Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxiD...e=results_main
2 Kevin Reynolds short http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEkuFOXU8g Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZciKUG4zgo
3 Andrei Rogozine Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EqOB7W7yaI
4 Elladj Balde Free http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA0NzY3MTEy.html
5 Liam Firus short http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA0MjI3NzU2.html Free http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA0NzQ5MjI0.html
6 Nam Nguyen Free http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA0NzcyNjEy.html
7 Mitchell Gordon Free http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA0NzcyMTM2.html
8 Jeremy Ten short http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA0MjI0NDI4.html Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwgLiwehiJ8
11Emanuel Sandhu short http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSPPtXXTaEI Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAuvNcwSS6s

[dorispulaski]

Thanks for Kevin's SP, figuristka! I hadn't found it yet.

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

There is a huge difference in what happend to Abbott( who did no quad in short or Free) where 2 competitors beat him and Patrick Chan and Kevin Reynolds. Patrick made a couple errors but still did 2 quads and one in combination, not to mention the best SS in the world, and amazing artistry. Kevin has shown great improvement but is not a powerful skater and internationally Patrick would have beaten him too.

Yep, ITA. The 2 quads sealed it. Kevin's skate was packed with jumps but the artistry isn't nearly as good as Patrick's. The skating skills and transitions have certainly improved. Chan is in a higher echelon than Abbott, technically and artistically (though obviously the artistic gap is less). This means he will invariably defeat a skater like Reynolds. For Reynolds to be just 4 points shy of him in the FS is a remarkable feat, since even on the international level Chan usually exceeds 'second-tier' by double-digits. I agree that Kevin should have won the FS, but it's a bit negligible now... the important thing is that he skated incredibly and has a chance at top 10 in the world, if he replicates his nationals performances... especially great considering his poor skate at Nationals two years ago when he was contemplating quitting.

[deedee1]

I am late to be here, but I have watched Mens comp at CN Nats, though 90-min. digested one on J-Sports, finally!

Many congrats to all the medalists: Chan, Reynolds and Rogozine!

A scary fall on 3F from Patrick... Hope he did not injure himself. Am a bit concerned about him, because he did not seem to be his 'usual-self'. Must be very hard for him to be expected by his fed to win at every and all competitions he gets to enter, I guess.

Wow, 5 quads in two programs from Kevin. Loved Kiss & Cry when his Free score came up! Great moment for him and his coach. My little complaint was I hoped at least he could have won the Free, since 10point gap from the short did not affect the overall standings...

A gutsy performance from Rogozine! He SOooo wanted to capture the 3rd spot to Worlds, didn't he? He appeared so determined throughout his Free, though he lost the steam a bit towards the end due to stamina, maybe. I was pleasantly surprised that he surely has improved his skating as a senior skater since I saw him last time.

Both Kevin and Andrei still have lots of shortcomings compared to Patrick, of course, but I truly enjoyed their performances at this Nats. I really look forward to seeing them again , along with Elladj, to compete at 4CC soon!