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2013 Canadian Nats Senior Men LP

coolboogie22

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Here is the standing after the first group :

1 Ian Martinez QC 42.88 121.28 164.16
2 Samuel Angers QC 49.81 109.63 159.44
3 Samuel Morais QC 52.74 105.68 158.42
4 Graeme Gordon BC/YT 48.05 99.69 147.74
5 Sasha Alcoloumbre QC 52.23 81.58 133.81
6 Dustin Sherriff-Clayton CO 36.43 80.98 117.41


The second group begin at 17:00 at TSN
Does anyone have a link to watch TSN live in internet ? :popcorn:
 

rain

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Wow, Mitchell Gordon is a really promising young talent. Even more important after such a disappointing short. And just 16. He's one to watch for the future. He could be Patrick Chan's successor for Canada on the world stage.
 

Mao88

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RankCompetitorSectionSPFPTOTAL
1Mitchell GordonBC/YT54.00136.99190.99
2Jeremy TenBC/YT64.06125.16189.22
3Peter O BrienEO60.55127.48188.03
4Garrett GosselinSK59.64123.87183.51
5Emanuel SandhuBC/YT60.42115.76176.18
6Ian MartinezQC42.88121.28164.16
7Samuel AngersQC49.81109.63159.44
8Samuel MoraisQC52.74105.68158.42
9Shaquille DavisCO53.02101.05154.07
10Graeme GordonBC/YT48.0599.69147.74
11Sasha AlcoloumbreQC52.2381.58133.81
12Dustin Sherriff-ClaytonCO36.4380.98117.41
 

Mao88

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MEN'S FREE PROGRAM - RESULT


RankCompetitorSectionSPFPTOTAL
1Patrick ChanCO94.63179.12273.75
2Kevin ReynoldsBC/YT85.32175.94261.26
3Andrei RogozineCO70.42137.43207.85
4Elladj BaldeQC68.47135.97204.44
5Liam FirusBC/YT75.33127.08202.41
6Nam NguyenCO67.90132.79200.69
7Mitchell GordonBC/YT54.00136.99190.99
8Jeremy TenBC/YT64.06125.16189.22
9Peter O BrienEO60.55127.48188.03
10Garrett GosselinSK59.64123.87183.51
11Emanuel SandhuBC/YT60.42115.76176.18
12Ian MartinezQC42.88121.28164.16
13Samuel AngersQC49.81109.63159.44
14Samuel MoraisQC52.74105.68158.42
15Shaquille DavisCO53.02101.05154.07
16Graeme GordonBC/YT48.0599.69147.74
17Sasha AlcoloumbreQC52.2381.58133.81
18Dustin Sherriff-ClaytonCO36.4380.98117.41
 

pangtongfan

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LOL at the score for Reynolds. That is why nobody takes the scores from Canadian Nationals seriously. That said good to see him skate so well today.
 

ImaginaryPogue

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LOL at the score for Reynolds. That is why nobody takes the scores from Canadian Nationals seriously. That said good to see him skate so well today.

Nobody takes National scoring seriously period (though I agree that Canada seems VERY extreme compared to other nations, save maybe Russia)/
 

jjane45

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Nobody takes National scoring seriously period (though I agree that Canada seems VERY extreme compared to other nations, save maybe Russia)/

I've always wondered why judges inflate scores at some nationals. What is the point? Not much of a political boost if no one takes it seriously due to the reputation of inflation.

Not to mention ethics and professionalism...

ETA: it was a comment in general, I did not realize the post I quoted referred to Kevin.
 
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ImaginaryPogue

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I've always wondered why judges inflate scores at some nationals. What is the point? Not much of a political boost if no one takes it seriously due to the reputation of inflation.

Not to mention ethics and professionalism...

I HAVE NO IDEA.

Anyway, I am glad that Rogozine came third. He needed to to make it easier on Skate Canada to select him. I do hope that Balde gets sent to 4CC anyway (I'm assuming Chan skips it again - he's only been to two in his senior career) just to get the score. Good for Gordon for coming back - he's the future of the Canadian men imo.

ETA: From icenetwork

Then it's back to Colorado Springs to focus on training until he leaves for worlds. Chan's going to let other skaters take on the Four Continents Championships.

So likely Reynolds, Rogozine and Balde in Japan.
 
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lavender

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I was thinking Chan must have skated bad for his scores to be close to Reynolds.

Like where would Reynolds get those kind scores...short and long.
 

Jade

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I thought the mark should have been much closer. I would have given the edge to Kevin Reynolds.
 

stickle

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I've always wondered why judges inflate scores at some nationals. What is the point? Not much of a political boost if no one takes it seriously due to the reputation of inflation.

Not to mention ethics and professionalism...
So, if a skater lands four quads in his Nationals program, the judges should only give him half scores on them so that they don't get accused of inflating? Yeah, I'd like to see the judges do that in any country.
 

flaneur

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well in defence of nationals scoring (at least this time), reynolds did basically skate a clean program with 3 quads... one of which was late in the program.
 

wallylutz

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I've always wondered why judges inflate scores at some nationals. What is the point? Not much of a political boost if no one takes it seriously due to the reputation of inflation.

Not to mention ethics and professionalism...

It is not so much that the judges inflate scores at nationals but rather some posters have preconceived notions / bias about certain skaters and therefore, assumed these skaters cannot possibly deserve a score that is beyond what they perceive as a fair score within their reputation. Kevin Reynolds is ranked 12th in the world, but getting a 170+ score in the FP is in the turf of World Medalists, hence, the said posters simply ignored what he actually did and preferred to comment based on reputation. Some fans often criticized the judges for giving marks based on reputation, I find the reverse is ironically more frequent than many realize.

Here are the facts, Kevin did some fairly amazing elements in his skate tonight :

4S, 4T, 3A+3T, 4T+3T (+2nd half bonus), 3F+3Lo (+2nd half bonus)

This kind of technical content is simply unmatched in the world at this time. I cannot recall the last time a man had 3 Quads in his LP plus two other 3/3, including a 3A and combo involving a 3Lo. Perhaps the poster who had a laugh at Reynolds' score could enlighten us of another man who had, in the past, successfully completed the above mentioned jumps within the same LP?

Now, Reynolds' score did not break any records, whether nationally or internationally and his PCS is still mostly in 7s. Suffice to say, if he can duplicate such a skate internationally, chances are his PCS will also be mostly 7s, albeit closer to mid-low 7s than mid-high 7s. Reynolds has also put in a lot of effort to improve his 2nd mark and this is by no means an overnight effort. In any event, neither of his technical or the PCS score is particularly outrageous that deserved to be labeled as a joke, which is frankly insulting to his hard work and the judges. Note that the 3rd rank free skate is only in the 130s, a very solid skate from the former World Junior Champion with 8 Triples including two 3As, is about some 40 points lower. Some would argue a LP with 8 Triples and two 3As could have well scored quite a bit higher than 137 internationally, especially from a World Junior Champion. If there is really a national inflation as some claims, then I am clearly not seeing it based on the evidences available.

Similarly, many fans earlier in the season used the same logic to dismiss Osmond's win over Suzuki at Skate Canada. They categorically denied that the young Canadian can possibly beat a World Medalist & veteran skater. Were the judges wrong too? Who were the people using reputation to dictate results as opposed to judging what was actually on ice? Sadly, some people used reputation judging a lot more often than they realize and it ain't the judges.

So please don't let the disrespectful armchair claims of one troubled poster make you doubt ethics and professionalism of the judging panel or that the results/scores are laughable.
 
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jjane45

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well in defence of nationals scoring (at least this time), reynolds did basically skate a clean program with 3 quads... one of which was late in the program.

Sorry my post was a comment in general, did not realize the post I quoted referred to Kevin.

I think most people agree that national inflation exists in some nationals, or even home soil advantage at international events. It just feels awkward that judges consciously give out higher scores at nationals as if there are two sets of standards.
 

wallylutz

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So, if a skater lands four quads in his Nationals program, the judges should only give him half scores on them so that they don't get accused of inflating? Yeah, I'd like to see the judges do that in any country.

Actually, the said skater landed 5 Quads in total with his SP+LP combined. Somehow this kind of achievement is supposedly to be laughable even though the scores didn't break any records? There is something truly laughable in all this but it ain't the said skater or his scores.
 

jjane45

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It's possible that Kevin was underscored. Or just not overscored enough relative to others.

Some judges was certainly throwing out +3 GOE and 8.5-9 PCS like freebies at national events, but not internationally. Why the discrepancy?
 
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