congratulations, proven my point, take off any and all protest /complaints against the judging for the skaters the federation want up their. so their is
No Accountability of the cheating standard of u.s. ladies skating and watch them fall further behind not only russia, japan, italybut now canada, finland, maybe others,
the u.s ladies the top 6 are okay but not great, they need to step it up -clean up their act, make all judges notice all mistakes, if
public can see them why can't they.
no accountability on skaters to change technique, skating because the u.s. federation will continually overlook the mistakes of skaters want up on top than includes all of top 6 and maybe even more.
hard to believe but why u.s. figure skating is falling behind in men, pairs, and now ladis - i don't mean triple/triple o-i mean cleanliness of them. allow skaters to win with bad technqiue while canada, russia, japan, finland, italy, france, germany-now i think is getting their skaters to clean their jumps up. the u.s allows so so skating, technqiue and just goes after one skater to change hers but not the rest.
don't expect buying public to stay in it with you, suport this mess.
I am not sure I quite get what you are getting at, fairly. Hicks got a < on the 3T, Siraj got a < on the 3T and Gold got a < on the 3T. They were sufficiently dinged for "poor technique" as you call it and Gold was also given an "e" on her flip. If people were truly nailed on technique, Zhang NEVER would have medalled in Juniors...
Caroline did well at 4CC winning her 2nd bronze medal last season so I don't know why they are holding her back if she skates well enough.
Well well. Only have time for quick thoughts but in a nutshell:
Good for Wagner for being tough and getting the job done despite her illness. That said, there will be a tremendous amount of pressure on her now with virtually everyone expecting her to win and the scores being so close. This next skate will truly tell us what she is made of as a skater. She has not been in this position before. I'll actually be surprised if she can get through it mistake-free.
Zawadzki and Nagasu remain within striking distance. Of the two I'd pick Nagasu but it could be either one. Or perhaps they both crumble...
Too bad for Zhang. Thought she should have been a little higher. Hicks too.
Lastly, Gold...this is what happens when the hype gets out of control. I don't care who you are, that was just WAY too much for her to be able to handle. Maybe she can now relax for the FS. She's basically out of title/WT contention, but 4th is still very much within reach (even 3rd if, say, Zawadzki bombs)
and none are really that great of skaters,
the u.s. doesn't hold them accountable only certain ones.
they expect the buying public to be interested in skaters that they help overachieve like ashley, mirai, agnes,-who skated the cleaniest technique wise, christina, courtney,
none has the mindset for the high expectations of the buying public which the sponsors want.
they all just skate and u.s. gives them high scores as long as they are who past ogm medalist want and no other.
the u.s ladies are falling behind in italy, russian, japan, canada, in technique not jumps triple/triple--with france, finland , china, georgia catching up.
the top 3 ashley, agnes, and mirai will stay top 3 overlook technique problems since 2008 will continually to overlook them now, cop buying public knows what to look for and doesn't like what they see.
they will medal
It's especially odd given that I can think of at least one Japanese ladies skater at her respective Nationals this season who should have also been hammered on rotation-in-the-air if pre-rotation is starting to matter. (Satoko)
Pre-Olympic year is not a very nice time to skaters to start changing technical standards, and it's not being done uniformly...
Nagasu's L2 on the CCoSp - I just went out to youtube to watch the nice poster who put it out there. Because she didn't establish the forward camel spin for 2 full revs before she dumped out of the circle she had been spinning in (you'll see a little bobble in the camel where she kind of catches a little bit and then re-establishes) none of the positions on the forward 1/2 of the spin counted for features. According to the way the rules are now written and the (at least in the US) tech panels are not giving positions after that until the change of foot (this is a change from last season). That error was an entire point for Nagasu.
I agree that her combo was 3lo+3lo< , There is no way her second loop should have been downgraded, and I am not even a huge fan of Caroline. to be downgraded her second loop would have had to be more than a half turn short on landing which it was not, I am good at spotting urs/dgs, (I was a skateer at a reasonably high level ie. I had 2a and some triple jumps and I am now a coach so spotting urs is part of my job lol!) And this is not aimed personally at you mskater93 but it really annoys me when I hear people talking about prerotated loop jumps and saying that the half turn of prerotation makes jumps downgrade/ur worthy. It is correct tecnique to roll up onto the toe forwards while taking off for a loop jump this is especially true in double and triple loops and even more so for loops in combintion, it is how you spring into the jump and get height . If a skater does not do so their loop would look pretty scary and they wold not have a double let alone a triple.Techs dont downgrade for this (I have asked) Pre rotated toe loops are a different story and do get dgs and rightfully so
ETA: skate80, yes, the little flag on the take off is OK as long as it is in the flow of the jump, but a three turn-"freeze on the forward inside edge"-jump is going to get nailed, especially if it's short on the back end. We discussed this ad nauseum this AM at the rink and our local TS said she'd have downgraded it because of the very clear, real time forward+ take off.
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about the 3/3loop with Caroline....maybe they downgrade on pre-rotation as well? I remember that being the reason that Rachael was downgraded on her flips at the Olympics.
That being said, I still think I was the only one not surprised by her score.
From what I've gathered from your run-on sentence post is that you believe all the top US skaters suck and are not penalized by the US judges for the mistakes they make. Did you bother to look at the protocols? The -GOEs on those who made mistakes and the </<</e dings beg to differ. This is a national competition so the scores are going to be a little generous, though I will say I think the judges didn't go too far overboard here. Most of the scores were within 1.00-1.5 points of the scores these skaters received internationally so kudos to them for that.
Is it you just don't like any of the top names?