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Thread: Is Plushenko Too Old For This Sport?

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    I think Plushenko's desire to compete on his home ice for a fourth Olympic medal of any color is too strong to be checked by anybody but his own poor health. Is the surgery he is undergoing an effective solution to his long-plaguing back pains? I do not have a clue about such treatment, but it sounds really scary to me. Is there any medical specialist here who is willing to share some of his/her ideas with us on this surgery? Does anybody know why Plushenko just chose Israel for his back treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    If a skater wants to be themselves and not only play to the judges but also the crowds which may contain a lot of their paying fans they may do moves that fans like while also paying attention to the judges and scoring system and judge and technical panels. The idea that a skater should do only one kind of thing to choreograph A step sequence or whole program to best be cop is why so many don't like it I think. Like "it must be subtle!" "no hip movements!" why? Let them all express themselves and get the points If they can. I think you are very close to describing a type of program all skaters must be mandated to do as their "free" program lol!
    But it's not appropriate for the program. It's like doing a chicken dance in the middle of a tango. Hip thrusts are fine... for his Sex Bomb exhibition, but in a freeskate where he's trying to convey power and elegance and command of the ice, hip thrusts look hokey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    But it's not appropriate for the program. It's like doing a chicken dance in the middle of a tango. Hip thrusts are fine... for his Sex Bomb exhibition, but in a freeskate where he's trying to convey power and elegance and command of the ice, hip thrusts look hokey.
    I don't think hip thrusts in whatever variation he does them to whatever piece of music would always be inappropriate in any program. I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like he is grabbing both the hips and really doing something inartfully. I don't think it should be a deduction in pcs. If the isu wanted to ban them it could but it would have to describe in detail what hip movements are not allowed.
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    I haven't seen Plushenko hip thrusting in a long time, not in this Lp not the last year one. He hasn't done the bielman spin since 2005, from time to time he does a catch foot spiral, he has learnt new spin positions in so much late age, his camel is still one of the best. Is this a thread to analyze Plushenko or Yagudin' s past career?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Yagudin's skills were made for COP i think. He didn't have a major weakness.
    Yes, Mishin and Tarasova were fortune tellers, they prepared Yagudin for COP!
    By the way, we have an Yagudin fan fest thread and only 5 posts so far, even I doubt your Yagudin's fan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thawingiceberg View Post
    Does anybody know why Plushenko just chose Israel for his back treatment?
    I think they are specialists of this operation

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    Oh my god. Poor Yag. He gets remembered only when the name of Plu shows up. And on Plu thread, even there is a Yag thread nearby. I really pity the dude. With such fans he doesn't need haters.


    At least our Canadian buddies didn't bring Osmond with transitions here. I assume we should be grateful for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    I think they are specialists of this operation
    I figured this out too since he usually went to Munich the last ten years but this time in Israel. I have no idea what this surgery is about but only the mention of plastic discs and jumbing in fs scares me. Mishin said it is tested the last 3 years and there are more athletes using it, he doesnt say who though.

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    Mishin told to the media the back surgery went well!!!!!!
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    President of ISU Mr Cinquanta told to Gorshkov (http://www.rg.ru/2010/11/23/plushenko.html) :
    "Президент ИСУ Оттавио Чинкванта говорил мне, что считает Плющенко, возможно, лучшим одиночником всех послевоенных времен."
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    "ISU President Ottavio Cinquanta told me that he thinks Plushenko probably the best single skater of the postwar era."

    And you are right Evgenia, Yag is better in North-America but not in Europe and Asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Mishin told the media the back surgery went well!!!!!!
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    President of ISU Mr Cinquanta told to Gorshkov (http://www.rg.ru/2010/11/23/plushenko.html) :
    "Президент ИСУ Оттавио Чинкванта говорил мне, что считает Плющенко, возможно, лучшим одиночником всех послевоенных времен."
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    "ISU President Ottavio Cinquanta told me that he thinks Plushenko probably the best single skater of the postwar era."

    And you are right Evgenia, Yag is better in North-America but not in Europe and Asia.
    I think he is good everywhere, since he has 4 World titles and 1 Oly gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    Yes, Mishin and Tarasova were fortune tellers, they prepared Yagudin for COP!
    By the way, we have an Yagudin fan fest thread and only 5 posts so far, even I doubt your Yagudin's fan...
    No, what Jammers is saying is that Yagudin was an all-rounded skater, which the CoP system rewards. So theoretically, had he skated in CoP he would have done well because he had no major weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Mishin told the media the back surgery went well!!!!!!.
    That was fast, thanx for the news, is it over already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    No, what Jammers is saying is that Yagudin was an all-rounded skater, which the CoP system rewards. So theoretically, had he skated in CoP he would have done well because he had no major weaknesses.
    Of course he would have done well.

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    The Yagudin thread is here, people!:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...128#post705128

    As one who enjoyed Yagudin's skating a lot, I find this all terribly depressing. Really? You can only think of him to disparage Plushy?! Both of them deserve better.

    I'm so glad to hear that the operation went well. Even if CanadianSkaterGuy has zero interest in it - although I'd say it's far more on topic than what he chooses to discuss. Whether Plushy is too old for the sport or no, has nothing to do with whether or not he was better than a skater who retired a decade ago.

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    When did I say I have zero interest in it? I've said before that I hope he recovers for the Sochi Olympics. Just because I'm not gushing over him doesn't mean I'm not interested in seeing the guy do well. The comment I was going to make is of course Mishin will say the surgery went well, even if it didn't, so we should take it with a grain of salt.

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