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    I like the reworking of the Shibs SD. The slower section works much better as a waltz. I agree with Tanith that they need to let go a bit more, but that will come with time.

    36.64+ 33.99 = 69.63. Interesting....not as huge a gap from 3rd as last year, but that is to be expected. Hubbell/Donahue has improved greatly. This will be a competition!

    Will be interesting how Chock and Bates will score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I like the reworking of the Shibs SD. The slower section works much better as a waltz. I agree with Tanith that they need to let go a bit more, but that will come with time.

    36.64+ 33.99 = 69.63. Interesting....not as huge a gap from 3rd as last year, but that is to be expected. This will be a competition!
    Yes. Next year will also be VERY interesting. IMO it's going to be a 3, possibly 4 way race for 2 Sochi spots (DW obviously will get one).

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    After 11 couples:

    1. Meryl Davis / Charlie White 79.02 --> 39.64+ 39.38 = 79.02
    2. Maia Shibutani / Alex Shibutani 69.63 --> 36.64 + 33.99 -1.00 = 69.63
    3. Madison Hubbell / Zachary Donohue 67.75 --> 35.35 + 32.40 = 67.75
    4. Lynn Kriengkrairut / Logan Giulietti-Schmitt 64.69 --> 33.44 + 31.25 = 64.69
    5. Anastasia Cannuscio / Colin McManus 56.33
    6. Anastasia Olson / Keiffer Hubbell 54.68
    7. Ginna Hoptman / Pavel Filchenkov 47.03
    8. Danielle Gamelin/ Alexander Gamelin 45.76
    9. Taylor Tran / Sam Kaplun 39.51
    10. Kseniya Ponomaryova / Oleg Altukhov 30.06
    11. Katie Donaldson/ Brock Jacobs 23.72


    Why did the Shibutanis get a deduction??

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    Oh I missed the -1 deduction from the Shibs. So they would have been at 70+ if not for that. The lift did look a little long to me.

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    Chock and Bates did quite well. Very smooth. But while they had attack/energy, I agree with Tanith that they lack strength. It will be interesting how they will score compared to the Shibs + H/D...

    37.87 + 32.93 = 70.80. And interesting, they pass the Shibs. Huge TES score.

    ETA: fromtheboards, who is at the event, tweeted that C/B had all all level 4 elements while the Shibs had one level 3 element.
    Last edited by Mrs. P; 01-25-2013 at 05:12 PM.

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    After 13 couples:

    1. Meryl Davis / Charlie White 79.02 --> 39.64+ 39.38 = 79.02
    2. Madison Chock / Evan Bates 70.80 --> 37.87 + 32.93 = 70.80
    3. Maia Shibutani / Alex Shibutani 69.63 --> 36.64 + 33.99 -1.00 = 69.63
    4. Madison Hubbell / Zachary Donohue 67.75 --> 35.35 + 32.40 = 67.75
    5. Lynn Kriengkrairut / Logan Giulietti-Schmitt 64.69 --> 33.44 + 31.25 = 64.69
    6. Anastasia Cannuscio / Colin McManus 56.33
    7. Anastasia Olson / Keiffer Hubbell 54.68
    8. Isabella Cannuscio / Michael Bramante 52.51 --> 27.58 + 24.93 = 52.51
    9. Ginna Hoptman / Pavel Filchenkov 47.03
    10. Danielle Gamelin/ Alexander Gamelin 45.76
    11. Taylor Tran / Sam Kaplun 39.51
    12. Kseniya Ponomaryova / Oleg Altukhov 30.06
    13. Katie Donaldson/ Brock Jacobs 23.72


    Without a deduction, Shibs would be in second place ...
    ETA: Sorry for this stupid error of mine, and thanks to Mrs. P for correcting me below.
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    Chock/Bates surpassing the Shibs! This is a surprise! Can't wait for the videos to come out

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    After 13 couples:

    1. Meryl Davis / Charlie White 79.02 --> 39.64+ 39.38 = 79.02
    2. Madison Chock / Evan Bates 70.80 --> 37.87 + 32.93 = 70.80
    3. Maia Shibutani / Alex Shibutani 69.63 --> 36.64 + 33.99 -1.00 = 69.63
    4. Madison Hubbell / Zachary Donohue 67.75 --> 35.35 + 32.40 = 67.75
    5. Lynn Kriengkrairut / Logan Giulietti-Schmitt 64.69 --> 33.44 + 31.25 = 64.69
    6. Anastasia Cannuscio / Colin McManus 56.33
    7. Anastasia Olson / Keiffer Hubbell 54.68
    8. Isabella Cannuscio / Michael Bramante 52.51 --> 27.58 + 24.93 = 52.51
    9. Ginna Hoptman / Pavel Filchenkov 47.03
    10. Danielle Gamelin/ Alexander Gamelin 45.76
    11. Taylor Tran / Sam Kaplun 39.51
    12. Kseniya Ponomaryova / Oleg Altukhov 30.06
    13. Katie Donaldson/ Brock Jacobs 23.72


    Without a deduction, Shibs would be in second place ...
    Actually no....Shibs would have 70.63, they would be virtually tied with C/B though at 70.80.

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    Thanks for saving me again, Mrs. P!

    Trying to keep up with too many numbers.

    Plus wishful thinking b/c I like C/B, but I really, really like the Shibs.

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    ice dancing scores this years US Natls a bit more inflated compared to the other disciplines

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Thanks for saving me again, Mrs. P!

    Trying to keep up with too many numbers.

    Plus wishful thinking b/c I like C/B, but I really, really like the Shibs.
    Hey you know how much I love the Shibs. I will root for them even when everyone seems to be all doom and gloom on them.

    But I'm ok with C/B being in front, their SD was great...

    It's going to be a great FD.
    Last edited by Mrs. P; 01-25-2013 at 05:24 PM.

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    Senior Short Dance protocols

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    Wow Shibs in third place. I guess the international dumping has now happened to them at home. As a team they are not really improving.
    Last edited by Jammers; 01-25-2013 at 05:30 PM.

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    http://www.usfigureskating.org/leade...0/results.html

    Base value
    Meryl and Charlie as well as Madison and Evan achieved a virtually perfect base value with all level 4 elements, BV = 32.00. Maia and Alex and Madison and Zach's had BV at 30.50 with both getting one level 3 element. Lynn and Logan got one more level 3 element (twizzles and step sequence) to be at 29.50.

    Grade of execution
    Not surprsingly, Meryl and Charlie had the highest GOE at 7.64. Lowest GOE was 1.07 for both of their polka sequences. HIghest was their step sequence at 2.57. Maia and Alex got solid GOE as well. Their 6.14 GOE included 2.29 on their step sequence and 1.07 on their twizzles. Lowest was .71 for their second polka Chock and Bates were next in GOE at 5.87. Highest GOE was 1.86 for their step sequence and lowest was .79 for their first polka sequence. Madison and Zach's 4.85 GOE included two +1.00 GOE in their twizzles and lift. Their lowest GOE was .50 with their second polka. Lynn and Logan, with a 3.94 GOE, only had one element earn more than 1.00, their step sequence which earned 1.29. Their second yankee polka got GOE of just .29.

    Name of the game---base value matters. As i've said for a while, it comes down to the levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Wow Shibs in third place. I guess the international dumping has now happened to them at home. As a team they are not really improving.
    I disagree. It's less about them and more that their competitors have improved. I knew there was a possibility that Chock and Bates would surpass them due to their ability to hit the levels. The Shibs have struggled to hit the levels, so they were able to capitalize on that. But if you look at the grade of execution, the Shibs did better than C/B there, an indication that hte judges still believe they execute the elements quite well.

    I think the Shibs are struggling because they are challenging themselves. That's not a bad thing. Unlike many others, I think this SD is a great step for them -- they probably could have went the easy way out and do Mary Poppins, but I like the fact they're trying to be abstract and I actually think their reworking of the dance worked really well and I think it could score well as they get more comfortable with it.

    Yes the Shibs did not score as well at Nationals as they did last year, but I also feel that the 2 less points in PCS was merited because I don't think they performed out that SD out as they did with their Latin dance last season.
    Last edited by Mrs. P; 01-25-2013 at 05:40 PM.

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