2013 Europeans Ladies - Short Program

**snowflake** · 01-25-2013, 05:11 PM

What a boring thread after an exciting high level competition

**sky_fly20** · 01-25-2013, 05:14 PM

well there is the Osmond talk here. lol

**shine** · 01-25-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by museksk8r

Kostner is so stunning! She has the best command of the ice and the best expression of any current ladies competitor in the world, IMO. It's a real shame she lost speed on the landing of the 1st triple toe and didn't have enough snap to land the 2nd triple toe in the combination jump pass. This is hands down the best ladies SP in the world this season I believe. LOVE her musicality, the use of her arms, the always exquisite footwork. Her jumps are FIRST RATE when she hits them!

Yes yes yes. There used to be a time when she didn't know what to do with her long limbs. Now they just enhance her skating so wonderfully and make her skating look sooooo big and impressive. She skates with such polish now and her extension is beautiful. Carolina in that program is simply divine!! Such musicality and joy. She has improved this program since Italian Nationals and hopefully there will be a clean performance at worlds. this is a program that I can watch over and over for years to come!

**shine** · 01-25-2013, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy

To me this is wrong, wrong, wrong. Adelina is a much better skater than Kaetlyn IMO. Kaetlyn is at times sloppy and her presentation is a bit more cheerleader-like. You may be underwhelmed but Adelina is a strong spinner with interesting positions, a powerful jumper, and her choreography is difficult but not overly busy. The look of terror on someone's face should have no impact on PCS. A clean Adelina will place several points ahead of a clean Kaetlyn. Whether Kaetlyn fans agree with that statement in the Edge doesn't matter because none of them are international judges.

I think right now Sotnikova still has stronger skating skills and faster spins than Kaetlyn, but everything else such as performance, interpretation, musicality, movement quality Osmond is better hands down. Jumps, I don't know. Although Adelina has landed some difficult 3-3s, she has a pretty obvious flutz and her 2nd toe at the end of her 3-3 always looks laboured to me. There's just something awkward overall about Adelina's skating to me. I think she needs a dance instructor to teach her how to use her upper body and fix her carriage.

**Mao88** · 01-25-2013, 05:29 PM

LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 67.61 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
2. Carolina KOSTNER (ITA) - 64.19 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
3. Valentina MARCHEI (ITA) - 58.22 Short Program, 2nd Copy
4. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) - 57.18 Short Program
5. Joshi HELGESSON (SWE) - 55.04 Short Program
6. Viktoria HELGESSON (SWE) - 54.77 Short Program, 2nd Copy
7. Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY (FRA) - 53.32 Short Program
8. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 52.28 Short Program
9. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 51.90 Short Program, 2nd Copy
10. Juulia TURKKILA (FIN) - 51.47 Short Program, 2nd Copy
11. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 51.07 Short Program
12. Nikol GOSVIANI (RUS) - 50.92 Short Program, 2nd Copy
13. Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA) - 50.79 Short Program
14. Monika SIMANCIKOVA (SVK) - 50.27 Short Program
15. Kerstin FRANK (AUT) - 49.60 Short Program
16. Elene GEDEVANISHVILI (GEO) - 48.75 Short Program
17. Anita MADSEN (DEN) - 47.97 Short Program
18. Kaat VAN DAELE (BEL) - 47.18 Short Program
19. Jenna MCCORKELL (GBR) - 47.17 Short Program
20. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 46.66 Short Program
21. Sila SAYGI (TUR) - 46.17 Short Program
22. Tina STUERZINGER (SUI) - 45.73 Short Program
23. Anne Line GJERSEM (NOR) - 45.72 Short Program
24. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 45.60 Short Program
25. Anna AFONKINA (BUL) - 44.89 Short Program
26. Alina FJODOROVA (LAT) - 44.87 Short Program
27. Roberta RODEGHIERO (ITA) - 44.71 Short Program
28. Patricia GLESCIC (SLO) - 43.36 Short Program
29. Alisa MIKONSAARI (FIN) - 41.34 Short Program
30. Eliska BREZINOVA (CZE) - 40.98 Short Program
31. Inga JANULEVICIUTE (LTU) - 35.53 Short Program
32. Michelle COUWENBERG (NED) - 35.28 Short Program
33. Isabella SCHUSTER-VELISSARIOU (GRE) - 35.09 Short Program
34. Sabina MARIUTA (ROU) - 33.89 Short Program
35. Mirna LIBRIC (CRO) - 33.73 Short Program
36. Kristina ZAKHARANKA (BLR) - 31.73 Short Program

**gimble** · 01-25-2013, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy

Oh, and I also agree about Carolina's horrid SP dress. The red "hands" wrapping around her waist look so garish and distracting and the skirt looks heavy and frumpy that I'm amazed it doesn't affect her jumps and spins.

They do look like "red-gloved hands." :-) But other than that, I personally liked Carolina's dress.

**snowflake** · 01-25-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by sky_fly20

well there is the Osmond talk here. lol

That is exactly what I find boring. I would like to hear what people think about skaters at this competition. I don't remember, or have seen all of them, but there were newbies like Weinzierl, Lanaelle G-G and the Danish girl Anita who did quite well. Are they something for the future? When I started reading this thread I thought there would be pages of praise for Adelina, but as CaroLiza_fan says, a lot of negative posts about her or predicting her bombing tomorrow

**sky_fly20** · 01-25-2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by snowflake

That is exactly what I find boring. I would like to hear what people think about skaters at this competition.

it was about the Euro Ladies , but someone randomly posted here and threw Osmonds name that she will have the same pcs as Carolina and will bury Sotnikova

**gmyers** · 01-25-2013, 06:26 PM

Sotnikova was the most impressive she's been in 2 seasons. Just the sp so far but that was so solid.

Liza had her usual sp problem but after doubling 3lz she did the 3t and other things were good.

Kostner would have lead without the fall.

Good for marchei!

I think Liza will win a medal.

**cjsk8fan** · 01-25-2013, 06:43 PM

Kostner still telegraphs her jumps, where are the transitions? She is so overmarked. Should be 3rd or 4th.

**drivingmissdaisy** · 01-25-2013, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by cjsk8fan

Kostner still telegraphs her jumps, where are the transitions? She is so overmarked. Should be 3rd or 4th.

Transitions are the most quantifiable of the PCS marks so I wish they would actually reflect program content.

**Skater Boy** · 01-25-2013, 07:11 PM

I wonder if Russia is thinking they should have sent Leonova - after all Liza and Adelina are still young,one ripe veteran (ok sarcasm) might not have been bad. Who would think the world silver medallist couldn't make it out of her country. Hopefully Leonova does a Maria Butyrskaya or Irina Slutskaya and prove Russia wrong - though next year she has Lipnskaya to compete with too.

**FlattFan** · 01-25-2013, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by cjsk8fan

Kostner still telegraphs her jumps, where are the transitions? She is so overmarked. Should be 3rd or 4th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...YELM1w6g#t=33s
transitions in and out of the loop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...YELM1w6g#t=60s
transition after exiting the jump, including a short spiral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...ELM1w6g#t=103s
transition in and out of the 2A.

Are you kidding? She had more transitions than all of the girls at this event. Her TR should be at least two points higher than Adelina.

Here's Adelina's 3T-3T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...gINUarYw#t=26s
same entrance, no exit transition.

Here's Adelina's solo 3F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...gINUarYw#t=48s
Caro did her solo 3lo immediately after 3 turn. Had interesting exits. Adelina's exit transition isn't as smooth.

Here's Adelina's 2A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...gINUarYw#t=85s
a little spiral, follow by a long set up for the 2A. exit has no transition.

Why do people keep on saying Caro has no transitions?