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    Am I the only one who thinks that Adelina's first 3T+3T did not deserve all that GOE? The landing of the first 3T was a little bit tight and I saw a slight lean, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mateusp1 View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks that Adelina's first 3T+3T did not deserve all that GOE? The landing of the first 3T was a little bit tight and I saw a slight lean, also.
    I totally agree. And there was a little hesitation between the two jumps.

    I gave it 0 GOE.

    Whenever the judges see a 3/3 combination, they go crazy with the GOE though. :/

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    There were so many good things about the combo. She had good run-out and the jumps were HUGE (especially watch the replay of the combo at ice level).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sequinsgalore View Post
    Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS)

    Music: Capriccio Espagnol by Nikolai Rimski-Korsakov

    3T+3T - big!
    3F - also nice
    FCSp
    2A
    LSp
    StSq - audience is clapping along
    CCoSp

    Fist pump! Happy for her.

    Clean jumps, strong spins - she seemed tense at first, so it's interesting if this will be enough to beat Caro.

    Score: 37.25 + 30.36 = 67.61 (PB), in 1st (out of 27)
    If Sotnikova can beat Kostner skating to the same SP content as Osmond, then this should give us a very good idea where she could place vs. Kostner in the London World Championships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    This is a big deal. It's been almost 2 years since Adelina went clean in a SP right?
    Even a blue moon will make an appearance once in a while - it's just that we don't when will be the next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    If Sotnikova can beat Kostner skating to the same SP content as Osmond, then this should give us a very good idea where she could place vs. Kostner in the London World Championships.
    We would have a better idea if Koster skated clean We all know a fall takes away some PCS even if it shouldn't IMO. And a clean Sotnikova is better than a clean Osmond thanks to her very solid spins and steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    And a clean Sotnikova is better than a clean Osmond thanks to her very solid spins and steps.
    Not at all, it is clear a clean Osmond will easily be several points higher than Sotnikova. You don't have to believe me, just post a new thread in the Edge with both their SP SBS and ask for people to comment. I am quite underwhelmed by Sotnikova from a PCS standpoint, she looked petrified out there until the very end when she knew she skated clean. Before then, the tension in her face and body really cut into her performance. In contrast, Osmond showed no such tension any point at all and performed to her highest level throughout. On that alone, the PCS score would have buried Stonikova alive.

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    LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

    1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 67.61 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    2. Carolina KOSTNER (ITA) - 64.19 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    3. Valentina MARCHEI (ITA) - 58.22
    4. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) - 57.18 Short Program
    5. Joshi HELGESSON (SWE) - 55.04
    6. Viktoria HELGESSON (SWE) - 54.77
    7. Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY (FRA) - 53.32 Short Program
    8. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 52.28 Short Program
    9. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 51.90 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    10. Juulia TURKKILA (FIN) - 51.47
    11. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 51.07
    12. Nikol GOSVIANI (RUS) - 50.92 Short Program
    13. Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA) - 50.79
    14. Monika SIMANCIKOVA (SVK) - 50.27
    15. Kerstin FRANK (AUT) - 49.60
    16. Elene GEDEVANISHVILI (GEO) - 48.75 Short Program
    17. Anita MADSEN (DEN) - 47.97 Short Program
    18. Kaat VAN DAELE (BEL) - 47.18 Short Program
    19. Jenna MCCORKELL (GBR) - 47.17 Short Program
    20. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 46.66 Short Program
    21. Sila SAYGI (TUR) - 46.17 Short Program
    22. Tina STUERZINGER (SUI) - 45.73 Short Program
    23. Anne Line GJERSEM (NOR) - 45.72 Short Program
    24. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 45.60

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Not at all, it is clear a clean Osmond will easily be several points higher than Sotnikova. You don't have to believe me, just post a new thread in the Edge with both their SP SBS and ask for people to comment. I am quite underwhelmed by Sotnikova from a PCS standpoint, she looked petrified out there until the very end when she knew she skated clean. Before then, the tension in her face and body really cut into her performance. In contrast, Osmond showed no such tension any point at all and performed to her highest level throughout. On that alone, the PCS score would have buried Stonikova alive.
    I don't argue with that, you might be right. I somehow agree about Adelina, she came to life after the jumps, but other than Interpretation why should she lose any PCS area to Osmond for instance? I only said Sotnikova is better because I though of the technical part(spins and steps) and Adelina is better here. Don't want to start a useless argument about who is better from the 2
    Sotnikova already got over 30 and 32-33 is Mao/Yuna category so I'm not sure how deep would Sotnikova be buried
    Last edited by Mirunna; 01-25-2013 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mateusp1 View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks that Adelina's first 3T+3T did not deserve all that GOE? The landing of the first 3T was a little bit tight and I saw a slight lean, also.
    She always had this problem, pitching forward on her first jump of the combo. I would actually give -GOE. It's quite ugly.

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    Anyone else noticed anything wrong or missing between these scores:

    Jump : 3Lo Base Value : 5.10 GOE: 1.40 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 Total : 6.50

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    this video clip : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWsj8O_8axg#t=0m22s

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Anyone else noticed anything wrong or missing between these scores:

    Jump : 3Lo Base Value : 5.10 GOE: 1.40 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 Total : 6.50

    and

    this video clip : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWsj8O_8axg#t=0m22s
    Yes, imo, this is one of the best loops ever done out of steps and deserves +3 across the panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Not at all, it is clear a clean Osmond will easily be several points higher than Sotnikova. You don't have to believe me, just post a new thread in the Edge with both their SP SBS and ask for people to comment. I am quite underwhelmed by Sotnikova from a PCS standpoint, she looked petrified out there until the very end when she knew she skated clean. Before then, the tension in her face and body really cut into her performance. In contrast, Osmond showed no such tension any point at all and performed to her highest level throughout. On that alone, the PCS score would have buried Stonikova alive.
    Her marks would be nowhere near Sotnikova's. Osmond is the worlds most overrated skater. Osmondflation is now higher than Chanflation, when looking at the inflation element, and her marks at Skate Canada and Canadian Nationals bore no resemblance to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    I don't argue with that, you might be right. I somehow agree about Adelina, she came to life after the jumps, but other than Interpretation why should she lose any PCS area to Osmond for instance? I only said Sotnikova is better because I though of the technical part(spins and steps) and Adelina is better here. Don't want to start a useless argument about who is better from the 2
    Sotnikova already got over 30 and 32-33 is Mao/Yuna category so I'm not sure how deep would Sotnikova be buried
    My intention is not to argue either. But you should know her coach is an ISU Technical Specialist and all her spins and steps were precisely choreographed to maximize their levels - that is one of the main reasons of her success so far. The GOE is another matter but that will more dependent on how each of them skate on that particular day. More likely than not, I think their GOE is a wash at this point. But when you factor the transitions that Osmond do which Sotnikova doesn't do (as well), the Russian will not have much of an edge TES wise with the same jump content but will most likely be beaten in PCS. So far, their track record this season is Osmond 1 - Sotnikova 0, that's just fact.

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