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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanja90 View Post
    where do you see a spread eagle or a spiral before carolina's loop? and if you think that three turns are not steps really....
    You need to finish reading the whole sentence : /Free Skating movement Now read: A single Free Skating movement cannot be considered as meeting the requirements of connecting steps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)
    Thank you Mao88! You really deserve a GSF medal or something for compiling all of these videos for us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Is this sufficient under the SP rules re: connecting steps prior to the solo jump?
    Why wouldn't it be sufficient?

    She did a number of three-turns (not just the standard two that skaters usually do entering a jump) right into the loop.

    So there wasn't a single skating movement, there was a number of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    But you should know her coach is an ISU Technical Specialist... - that is one of the main reasons of her success so far.
    You clearly have no idea what an irony you just said here, which is actually a very good thing.

    How did it happen that thanks to one person the Euro SP Ladies thread became one more Osmond thread and bashing Caro/Sotnikova thread?

    Do not feed trolls, dear Euro folks if you please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    Her marks would be nowhere near Sotnikova's. Osmond is the worlds most overrated skater. Osmondflation is now higher than Chanflation, when looking at the inflation element, and her marks at Skate Canada and Canadian Nationals bore no resemblance to reality.
    Gosh, and now we will have a team saying that there is Osmondflation when there is also Sotnikovaflation, Tuktflation and other -flation.
    Please say that you don' like young Canadian winning, and stop saying about -Canadianflation, when in my view there is also euro-flation and US-flation and so on and so forth.
    Osmond skate very well and is serious contender for a good place at Words, and perhaps for a medal. Saying "flation" won't make it less true.

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    remind me how did this thread turn into an inflation topic again ?
    btw lets cut Omsond some slack she isnt at Euros

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    remind me how did this thread turn into an inflation topic again ?
    btw lets cut Omsond some slack she isnt at Euros
    let's.
    BTW I very much liked Sotnikova short, and I think that if she won't make any major mistakes she may win the Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanja90 View Post
    of course!!!! and it's not the first year she is doing it...she did in every short where she planned the loop apart from 2011. this means: 03-04-05-06-12. and she is not the only one who is doinh it! wagner also does it even if the jump is not so immediate after the turns. And a canadian or american commentator after seeing this element done by carolina said that this is the most difficult entrance into the loop....I really can't see the point of your post
    Yep. Carolina Kostner has hands-down, the best 3Loops among the elite ladies currently skating.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I love how the 3L went right with the music. It's a phenomenal program...one of her best SPs ever IMO. I'm not too crazy about that dress though. The red part on the front looks like they're hands on her hips...??? I don't like it. I thought the purple dress was beautiful.
    I agree. I do not like this dress at all. The top red part hangs too low and the bottom red also reminded me of red-gloved hands. But the interpretation and musical nuances of this program are awesome.

    And no, Sotnikova is not going to get "buried" by Osmond if they both skate well. Sotnikova's skating basics are superior. Osmond is a better performer and she has a very well-choreographed SP. They should be pretty close.

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    LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

    1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 67.61 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    2. Carolina KOSTNER (ITA) - 64.19 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    3. Valentina MARCHEI (ITA) - 58.22 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    4. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) - 57.18 Short Program
    5. Joshi HELGESSON (SWE) - 55.04 Short Program
    6. Viktoria HELGESSON (SWE) - 54.77 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    7. Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY (FRA) - 53.32 Short Program
    8. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 52.28 Short Program
    9. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 51.90 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    10. Juulia TURKKILA (FIN) - 51.47 Short Program
    11. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 51.07 Short Program
    12. Nikol GOSVIANI (RUS) - 50.92 Short Program
    13. Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA) - 50.79 Short Program
    14. Monika SIMANCIKOVA (SVK) - 50.27 Short Program
    15. Kerstin FRANK (AUT) - 49.60 Short Program
    16. Elene GEDEVANISHVILI (GEO) - 48.75 Short Program
    17. Anita MADSEN (DEN) - 47.97 Short Program
    18. Kaat VAN DAELE (BEL) - 47.18 Short Program
    19. Jenna MCCORKELL (GBR) - 47.17 Short Program
    20. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 46.66 Short Program
    21. Sila SAYGI (TUR) - 46.17 Short Program
    22. Tina STUERZINGER (SUI) - 45.73 Short Program
    23. Anne Line GJERSEM (NOR) - 45.72 Short Program
    24. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 45.60 Short Program
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    Quote Originally Posted by katia View Post
    Gosh, and now we will have a team saying that there is Osmondflation when there is also Sotnikovaflation, Tuktflation and other -flation.
    Please say that you don' like young Canadian winning, and stop saying about -Canadianflation, when in my view there is also euro-flation and US-flation and so on and so forth.
    Osmond skate very well and is serious contender for a good place at Words, and perhaps for a medal. Saying "flation" won't make it less true.
    People will always argue inflation in relation to various skaters. However, whatever inflation there may be is normally within sane limits. The reason that people refer to 'Osmondflation' and 'Chanflation', is that the level of inflation has on occasions gone way beyond what is credible

    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    And no, Sotnikova is not going to get "buried" by Osmond if they both skate well. Sotnikova's skating basics are superior. Osmond is a better performer and she has a very well-choreographed SP. They should be pretty close.
    Osmond can only beat Sotnikova if Sotnikova makes mistakes. The problem for Sotnikova is that she suffers from nerves and has until now, made a lot of mistakes. Hopefully, with today's SP, Sotnikova has now turned a corner and will become far more consistent.
    Last edited by Mao88; 01-25-2013 at 02:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    I really hope that the Helgesson sisters can hold on to their placements (a medal would be even more awesome but that's not really realistic) and earn 3 spots for Sweden so that Isabelle Olson can go to Euros as well next year.
    ….or Linnea Mellgren or one of the junior girls or…? Go Joshi and Vicky, three spots for Sweden next Euros!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    I can't remember the level ever being so high in Ladies at Euros.

    30 skaters achieved over 40 points! I wish all of them could qualify. :(
    Could be because many of them trained hard to get the minimum techs for worlds. Some tried difficult elements but screw them, like Elene G, Glebova and Meite. Laenelle G-G and Weinzierl were impressing.

    Happy for Anne Line from Norway to make her first Euro final. The Danish girl Anita was a new promising skater for me. Nordics will be a good competition for senior ladies

    Valentina was priceless in K&C, happy for her. Adelina was fabulous. Carolina is in a league on her own for me despite her fall.

    Wallylutz, really; Why don't you start a new thread when you want to discuss Adelina/Kostner versus Osmond? Let the European ladies have their moments here.

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    I don't agree that Osmondflation is on the same level of Chanflation. Chanflation is going down anyway, and Osmond has never won a competition with a 3-fall program. She fell once at Canadian Nats, yeah, but she was mainly competing against a not-her-best Amelie Lacoste and two younger girls, one not even old enough for senior competition yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    You need to finish reading the whole sentence : /Free Skating movement Now read: A single Free Skating movement cannot be considered as meeting the requirements of connecting steps...
    sorry if I didn't read everything...still she meets every requirementa with those turns...it's not me who says this but judges and their scores...

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    Back OT...

    I just watched Valentina: really wonderful program! It was just as good as her SA performance. There's something about this program when she performs it like this...she really draws you in. I loved it! Hopefully she'll have a strong LP and place 4th. As much as I enjoy her skating, she doesn't have the technical firepower to beat Liza T or Adelina. If one of them has a rough LP Valentina may be able to sneak onto the podium. If not, 4th place is an excellent finish.

    ETA: OMG, how cute was she in the K&C? You could tell she was really shocked by her good score. She probably didn't expect to be ahead of Liza T or in the top 3 heading into the LP. I'm so happy for her!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanja90 View Post
    sorry if I didn't read everything...still she meets every requirementa with those turns...it's not me who says this but judges and their scores...
    Perhaps it's because a single spread eagle or spiral-movement isn't very involved in complicated edging...whereas the turns Carolina does switches edges AND directions while going into her 3Lo...

    I wonder if the purpose of the rules is to set a sufficient level of difficulty for a solo jump? Isn't Carolina's 3Lo entry difficult enough?
    Last edited by prettykeys; 01-25-2013 at 03:33 PM.

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