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    Quote Originally Posted by Loulou View Post
    Wow. Your explanations about Russians' minuses were much more diffuse. What about C\L's shabby FD? At least Russians are trying something new. For me it's an insult to claim gold with such a trite dance with poor skating skills.
    I like C\L in general, I think they are bright and artistic. But they will never win unless Russians give them the victory themselves.
    Could someone explain me one thing - people question C/L edges and skating skills, yet C/L often hit the highest TES in competitions and often get level 4 for their step sequences... Would it be possible with poor skating skills? Just wonder...

    I agree with Ziggy et al., I/K are faboulous and talented, but this program... Horrible music, overdone expression, very little going on between the elements. I wish they run from Morozov and got programs that do them justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I really hope that Elena I doesn't get hurt. Dating in the game of skating with someone in the business is so dangerous. I've seen so many disasters and ruined teams. I am al ittle slow but we aren't talking about Morosov who dated Ando and I think was married to Shaelyn Bourne? Isn't he quite a bit older - I am really confused.
    Yes, he was married to Shae-Lynn, then his girlfriend was Miki Ando, now she's Elena Ilinich. Where do you put your eyes, poor girl, I do not know. And what's so attractive about Morozov neither

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinga View Post
    Could someone explain me one thing - people question C/L edges and skating skills, yet C/L often hit the highest TES in competitions and often get level 4 for their step sequences... Would it be possible with poor skating skills? Just wonder...
    Even Virtue/Moir and Davis/White didn't get level 4 for step sequences at this season. When Capellini/Lanotte did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Even Virtue/Moir and Davis/White didn't get level 4 for step sequences at this season. When Capellini/Lanotte did?
    I just checked. They got level 4 on Yankee Polka step sequence in TEB and 2x4 on Yankee Polka in GPF. Also got level 4 in one of their sequences in their FD in GPF.
    Often got level 4 on twizzles.

    Im too lazy to check, but I remember last year, in one event (dont remember if it was European or Words) in the SD they were the only ones to hit level 4 in step sequences.
    Im not an expert by any means, but many different commentators on TV stated numerous times that the technical content of their programs is one of the most difficult and very well executed. So just have been wondering....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    But the inflation most generally complained about is in PCS, not TES.
    I agree with you on that point completely but I still feel that the judges this year have softened a little with the technical in order to get the numbers for worlds without changing the min tcs

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    I know it's nothing new but it's still hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hddOWV_j92U (Morozov during I/K's skate. I don't think he's gonna make it through I/K's Olympic FD to be honest )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    FREE DANCE - VIDEOS & RESULT (Updated)

    1. Ekaterina BOBROVA & Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) - 169.25 Free Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    2. Elena ILINYKH & Nikita KATSALAPOV (RUS) - 169.14 Free Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    3. Anna CAPPELLINI & Luca LANOTTE (ITA) - 165.80 Free Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    4. Ekaterina RIAZANOVA & Ilia TKACHENKO (RUS) - 157.77 Free Dance, 2nd Copy
    5. Penny COOMES & Nicholas BUCKLAND (GBR) - 152.95 Free Dance
    6. Nelli ZHIGANSHINA & Alexander GAZSI (GER) - 147.28 Free Dance
    7. Julia ZLOBINA & Alexei SITNIKOV (AZE) - 144.83 Free Dance
    8. Tanja KOLBE & Stefano CARUSO (GER) - 142.54 Free Dance
    9. Charlene GUIGNARD & Marco FABBRI (ITA) - 142.48 Free Dance
    10. Pernelle CARRON & Lloyd JONES (FRA) - 140.00 Free Dance
    11. Irina SHTORK & Taavi RAND (EST) - 132.90 Free Dance
    12. Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY & Dmitri DUN (UKR) - 129.36 Free Dance
    13. Alisa AGAFONOVA & Alper UCAR (TUR) - 127.59 Free Dance
    14. Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA & Neil BROWN (CZE) - 124.62 Free Dance
    15. Sara HURTADO & Adria DIAZ (ESP) - 124.26 Free Dance
    16. Zsuzsanna NAGY & Mate FEJES (HUN) - 117.60 Free Dance
    17. Federica TESTA & Lukas CSOLLEY (SVK) - 114.62
    18. Ramona ELSENER & Florian ROOST (SUI) - 113.29
    19. Olesia KARMI & Max LINDHOLM (FIN) - 110.92 Free Dance
    20. Angelina TELEGINA & Otar JAPARIDZE (GEO) - 107.26

    Medal Ceremony

    Videos By Way Of Warm-Up Group: Group 2

    We've all had an evening to cool off from this heated discussion. On the whole the fd was great to watch. It's great to see these skaters really push themselves. Teams to commend. Hurtado/Diaz for their cool fd with lots of personality and a very original stationary lift. Agafonova and ucar for really attacking their fd and really showing how much they have stepped up (zhulin has worked wonders with them) as well as using fairy tale for their sd. Both German teams really stepped it up this year. Penny and nick were also wonderful continuing to improve on the whole with big personal bests. Despite our opinions of the skating skills of the top 4 teams, they delivered technically strong and on the whole interesting programs to enjoy or to observe.

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    I tried my best to understand the concept of the free dance but the more I see this program more questions than answers come to mind.




    I tried to understand it. I really did

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    Quote Originally Posted by monikawi View Post
    Yes, he was married to Shae-Lynn, then his girlfriend was Miki Ando, now she's Elena Ilinich. Where do you put your eyes, poor girl, I do not know. And what's so attractive about Morozov neither
    Don't forget he was already a married man with a baby when he began a relationship with Shae-Lynn..........and now young Elena, who must be half his age?! It shouldn't be allowed!
    I too hope she doesn't get hurt.

    Not only a poor choreographer, but also a poor human being. But maybe some people would say "So what?", that's how it goes in Skating/Showbiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    she posted many pics of them in Paris and going together in her instagram, and kissing of course

    disgusting, glad I haven't seen those pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    Penny and nick were also wonderful continuing to improve on the whole with big personal bests.
    I enjoyed their performances too, they skated well in both the SD and FD, and did GB proud IMO.
    They'll be skating in the Gala on Sunday.

    I'm aware of the reservations posters on here have about them, and they do look like a Pair rather than a Dance couple, due to their height disparity. If you were a Coach, you wouldn't put them together today, but they've been partners since Novices, and are a happy 'couple', and they continue to improve technically IMO, so it's nice to read a bit of praise for the Brits on this thread, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La Rhumba View Post
    Don't forget he was already a married man with a baby when he began a relationship with Shae-Lynn..........and now young Elena, who must be half his age?! It shouldn't be allowed!
    I too hope she doesn't get hurt.

    Not only a poor choreographer, but also a poor human being. But maybe some people would say "So what?", that's how it goes in Skating/Showbiz.
    I hope to God this is resolved soon for everyone's sake. Where is her father in all this? Why hasn't he just swatted the man!! I don't get it, am I missing something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinga View Post
    Could someone explain me one thing - people question C/L edges and skating skills, yet C/L often hit the highest TES in competitions and often get level 4 for their step sequences... Would it be possible with poor skating skills? Just wonder...

    I agree with Ziggy et al., I/K are faboulous and talented, but this program... Horrible music, overdone expression, very little going on between the elements. I wish they run from Morozov and got programs that do them justice.

    I think it is not any problem to get level 4 when Ottavio Cinquanta is sitting at the ice rink and watching the competition. And I think that level 4 element definition - say nothing about speed or deep edges. All great skaters of past were known for their speed and deep and long edges - Cappelini does not have it. Even poor skater can do spin level 4 which says nothing about quality of that element. And judges GOE - Hello Mr. Cinquanta!

    I agree with Ziggy too, I/K are very talented couple but in comparison with Davis, Virtue, Bobrova, Pechalat - their program is not difficult to skate. Also the idea of the program - I don't see heart and soul of those two in it. There is not artistic indeed.
    And one question more - Lena is looking so touched and happy at the end of the program like it was the best skating of her life, like she would surprise herself of how great she was. That's great!! But..... she looks like that after each performance....is it possible to skate the performance of her life every time? I feel it is not frank from her side....only actress playing for judges. Sorry I feel it that way.

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    I just think dating in the "business" is very dangerous and hard forget about the age difference. In the case of a coach and choreographer and a skater it is almost like breaking a moral condcut rule with doctor patient. You can se ethe problems in respect to their business relationship including if there is a third party - not in the relationship but another skater who is being coached or choreographed by one member in the relationship. And I am sorry if this is wrong to comment on but in the case of Morosov with all these skating rrelationships you would think his reputation would be tarnished and that he would realize whether these relationships are genuine or just a person who plays the field, likes younger partners to make him or her feel better about their self esteem when it si so public yhou would hold back. I mean what are the odds you would have relationships (boyfriend girlfriend) with so many top level skaters - you lose your credibility. Maybe after so many broken relationships all ivolving skaters it is time to take a break. Take up crochet, solitaire or something for a bit.

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    I've been a fan of I&K since I have first saw them. I can't really say I know much about skating so I don't dare to judge how good they are. But I fell in love with them for being so adorable, so cute and so in love with each other. And I am aware of the fact that their private life is only their bussiness but I still feel very disappointed about the whole Morozov thing. I found Elena and Nikita perfect for each other and I know that maybe they didn't break up because of Morozov but would break up anyway. But still ... I find Nikita awesome and Morozov just plain creepy. Anyway, all respect for both skaters that this soap opera didn't effect their career.

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