And we all know the story of Mao and Yuna anyway (triple axel; never finishing off the podium-- fine, okay).
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I would definitely put Michelle and Tara in the "lived up to their hype" category, although Tara's career was disappointingly, too short.
Just joined the Forums, from the ISU forums, hi all.
As far as Osmond's hype, people say she is being overhyped but this is due to her being consistent in her performances and results. Canadians was blatant inflation, but regardless she would have won. However Nebelhorn (where she beat Sotnikova, currently leading at Europeans) and Skate Canada (where she beat the world bronze medalist in Suzuki, after Suzuki had a poor SP) show that she's able to deliver in high pressure situations against top skater. This is not something that is typical of Canadian ladies skaters. People are touting her as the next Joannie because in such a short period of time, she has been able to develop strong jumps, a consistent 3-3 combination, and shows attack and vivaciousness in her skating.
As far as her technical merit being deserving, that is TES determined by how she executes jumps which is verified by technical specialists - the GOE on her jumps is often deserved, too.... She doesn't telegraph her jumps, puts transitions into them, and gets good spring and flow on the exit. Her coach, Ravi Walia, is a technical specialist and thus ensures that she's performing elements cleanly, except her flutz and an occasional lip. Her jumps are fully rotated, sometimes even over-rotated. Her spins could use improvement, but she's still obtaining good levels on them. Regardless of whether it was Nationals, Challenge, Skate Canada, she has put together three clean short programs (almost 4 at Nebelhorn), which no skater has done this season.
You can't deny that she's skating far better than anyone could have expected. Until she starts doing really poorly, I don't think anyone's at liberty of saying she's overhyped when she's actually matching the hype that she's getting.
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Savchenko & Szolkowy
Bobrova & Soloviev
Nancy Kerrigan (even though I think she was robbed of the 94 Olympic Gold, most of her career she was overscored, overhyped, and overrated)
Shen & Zhao
Zhang & Zhang (from 2005-fall of 2008, while being underscored and underrated from winter 2009-retirement and fall 2004 to earlier, a wierd combination)
Johnny Weir (not overscored, just overhyped by skating fans and journalists)
Fusar-Poli & Margalio
Lobacheva & Averbuhk
Woetzel & Steuer
Michelle Kwan (she is amazing, but not the god she was and is still potrayed as)
Proclaiming someone will be the best thing to happen ice skating since the zamboni does nothing but attract negative attention the skater. So far Kaetlyn has done well...she's had a number of strong skates and achieved good results. Let her be happy with those victories and wish her well in her remaining competitions.
If what's going on with Gracie Gold has told us anything it's that over-hyping someone usually ends badly. Not only is it generating extra pressure for the skater to perform, but over-saturating the boards with how wonderful someone is and how badly they'll kick everyone's @$$ and how no one can compare to them generates some ill-will toward the skater from other fans.
I was sick of Gracie long before she debuted at SC thanks to all the send Gracie to worlds/Gracie's the best/Gracie is God crap that happened around nationals last year. People were hailing her as the second coming and she wasn't even a senior yet. Fans get too excited...
Please don't do the same thing to Kaetlyn. I really like Kaetlyn right now and I enjoy her skating; but the ceaseless promotion and comparisons in every single thread by some of Kaetlyn's more enthusiastic/overzealous fans is starting to touch a nerve with people. You think you're helping but what you're really doing is annoying the hell out of everyone and making them resent her...
Yu-Na was extremely hyped...twice as much as Kaetlyn or Gracie at this point. The good thing was Yu-Na actually backed it up. It's not hype if the skater delivers. Yu-Na was hyped to win worlds in 2009; she did. She was hyped to win everything in 2010 including an OGM; she did. Her return is being hyped to high hell too BUT if she has a successful competition at worlds, again, it won't be hype if it's a fact.
The problem with hyping skaters is that so few actually deliver on all of the promises the hype generates. According to over eager Gracie fans' proclamations about her talent last year, Gracie should have wiped the floor with everyone at her GP events, won the Final and should be sitting well ahead of the field at nationals right now...that was the hype. Reality: she's finished 7th, 2nd, no trip to the Final, and basically imploded in the SP yesterday. She has a chance to redeem herself tomorrow but the damage has already been done. When you don't deliver on the hype, it's 10x worse and people will tear you apart.
That's why I want people to chill out a bit with Kaetlyn b/c if she does make a mistake or doesn't do well everyone who's sick of her/doesn't like her will use that failure as ammunition...
I personally find it hard to get invested emotionally in young skaters. It tends to be only over the course of a career that I become invested. Once in a while, rarely (far less than once a year) a young skater or couple will strike me and I'll sort of be a fan from the get go. But for me that usually takes time, and so I really dislike all the hype in general here whenever anyone does anything remotely impressive one year.
I also agree that this thread is a bit of overkill. I would be happy to never see another Osmond thread as long as I live.
Er, mayhbe it's just me, but I'm starting to feel that the negativity thrown at Osmond is actually a little more than twice the amount of praise that I've seen for her.
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I think a common theme is that what some skating fans consider "living up to their hype" will be "falling short of their hype" for other fans. It's another subjective matter in the sport and fandom. Interesting to hear people's takes on it.
The potential in Gracie Gold is enough for me to watch her as an upcoming top skater. There was a thread earlier on whether she could "handle the pressure" that is being put on her.
There it is. From what I've seen of her Senior outings so far, I agree that she still seems like she's unused to the big stage. The skating fans who have seen her on the Junior circuit and in practices reported that she is steely and learns quickly, so they said I wasn't quite correct in my assessment of her competitive instincts, but it seems like she still hasn't shaken off her jitters.
Who knows how long it will take. It took YuNa right up to the Olympics to skate a clean SP & LP as a Senior.
So...do you guys think hype, even if it's excessive, ever does anyone good? Sometimes I feel that it does make judges start to pay more attention and boost the marks up a bit. Plus, it may help skaters generate support and sponsors.
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