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prettykeys

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Well "most" and "ever" are very strong words. The people I see talking about her the most are those who like to complain about her. Canada doesn't have very many strong ladies so we get excited whenever a potential comes along. Just let us rub our hands in glee and be happy. Though I do recall forum discussions back in the day that said that Rochette would never reach the podium either.

It's hard to predict what the judges will do (and sometimes it isn't!) so I prefer to sit back and let the skaters do the talking. All I know is that I really do enjoy Kaetlyn's skating. And I'm glad that are some other young ladies progressing at the National level so hopefully they will present true competition and force each other to up their content and presentation.
Awww, Fruit Loops! :clap:

I would like to request a change to the title - it does seem a little mean to single out Kaetlyn for it. She isn't the first nor will she be the last to be hyped up. I wouldn't mind discussing which skaters were hyped up in the past, whether they lived up to it or fell short and the why's and how's, but. Focusing the discussion on the hype around one skater can't go in a good direction...that's just how I will see it.
 

sky_fly20

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Watching US nationals, US ladies can't even produce any 3+3
As for canadian nationals all lady medalists did 3+3 even in their short program.

hmmmm Mirai, Agnes, Gracie has 3-3
Osmond has 3t-3t but she flutzes and lips
 

Dragonlady

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Osmondflation has now probably overtaken inflation, in terms of the inflation element. Osmond's scores at both Skate Canada and Canadian Nationals were absurd. Silly comparisons have been made with legendary skaters. Equally silly suggestions have been made that she can beat Kim, Mao, Ashley, Carolina to the World title. Indeed, I cannot think of any other skater who has been more overhyped and overrated in the entire history of figure skating than Kaetlyn Osmond

What do you think?

Here is an article which typifies the ridiculous proportions that the hype has reached. Its title?:-

I don't think so

The article is written by a Korean paper, so how is Osmond being over-hyped here? This is just an attempt by a Korean paper to stir controversy and sell newspapers.

Your reaction to this article is so over the top as to be offensive. I think Yu-Na, Tara Lipinski, Michelle Kwan, Mao Asada, and the young Russian skaters, have all received far more hype at a much younger age than Osmond. Yu-na was so overhyped, she had to leave Korea for peace and quiet.
 

prettykeys

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Yu-na was so overhyped, she had to leave Korea for peace and quiet.
*Ahem* as a totally biased YuNa fan, I must disagree! Overhyped, psshhh, nahh! She was hyped alright, but she sure lived (lives!) up to it. ;) 150-point Olympic FS, anyone??? muahahahahaha

Oh, and she's back in Korea, while she's still competing. For peace and non-quiet.
 

aftertherain

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Watching US nationals, US ladies can't even produce any 3+3
As for canadian nationals all lady medalists did 3+3 even in their short program.

http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2013/68390/results.html
Mirai Nagasu, Agnes Zawadski, and Christina Gao all received credit for their 3T+3T combination.

*Ahem* as a totally biased YuNa fan, I must disagree! Overhyped, psshhh, nahh! She was hyped alright, but she sure lived (lives!) up to it. ;) 150-point Olympic FS, anyone??? muahahahahaha

I must disagree; she was definitely overhyped, but it absolutely doesn't mean she was overrated. ;) And I thought she was back in S. Korea to finish her studies and help with the Pyongchang planning-- not for some peace and quiet. (Though, I'm sure seeing her friends and family again is rather nice.)
 
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Mao88

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Your reaction to this article is so over the top as to be offensive. I think Yu-Na, Tara Lipinski, Michelle Kwan, Mao Asada, and the young Russian skaters, have all received far more hype at a much younger age than Osmond. Yu-na was so overhyped, she had to leave Korea for peace and quiet.

Kim, Tara, Michelle, and Mao deserved their hype - they were all doing far more at the same stage of their careers to justify it. And they sure lived up to that hype (3 Olympic champions and a 5 time world champion). There is a difference between justified and unjustified hype
 

aftertherain

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Kim, Tara, Michelle, and Mao deserved their hype - they were all doing far more to deserve at the same stage of their careers to justify. And they sure lived up to that hype. There is a difference between justified and unjustified hype

Kaetlyn is in her first year on the senior level! Of course the aforemention skaters "deserved" the hype; you already know the results!
 

Mrs. P

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The article is written by a Korean paper, so how is Osmond being over-hyped here? This is just an attempt by a Korean paper to stir controversy and sell newspapers.

Your reaction to this article is so over the top as to be offensive. I think Yu-Na, Tara Lipinski, Michelle Kwan, Mao Asada, and the young Russian skaters, have all received far more hype at a much younger age than Osmond. Yu-na was so overhyped, she had to leave Korea for peace and quiet.

I believe the situation RE: Yuna leaving town had more to do with ice time than with peace and quiet. She moved to Toronto during the 2006-2007 season, just as she was transitioning to the senior level.

I recall that there were very few ice rinks in Seoul and that Yuna was forced to either practice early in the morning for late at night.
 

Mao88

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Kaetlyn is in her first year on the senior level! Of course the aforemention skaters "deserved" the hype; you already know the results!

The key part of what I said was:-

...they were all doing far more at the same stage of their careers to justify it

The Osmond hype is unjustified hype as her performances do not justify the hype she is getting
 
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sky_fly20

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The key part of what I said was:-



The Osmond hype is unjustified hype as her performances do not justify the hype she is getting

its more like her technical merit is not deserving
she reminds me of Lepisto
 

aftertherain

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The key part of what I said was:-

The Osmond hype is unjustified hype as her performances do not justify the hype she is getting

The hype with Tara started before she even reached the World podium; she was 15th at Worlds when it (arguably) all started. Michelle began her ascension in an Olympic year (1993-94) and been 7th at Skate America and 2nd at Nationals AND the Michelle-Tara rivalry certainly benefited from the Tonya-Nancy fiasco.

And we all know the story of Mao and Yuna anyway (triple axel; never finishing off the podium-- fine, okay).
 
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prettykeys

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And I thought she was back in S. Korea to finish her studies and help with the Pyongchang planning-- not for some peace and quiet. (Though, I'm sure seeing her friends and family again is rather nice.)
I--and I quote myself--said "peace and non-quiet." ;) I think she's just gotten used to the noise at this point. And yes, being around with friends and family in close proximity does give many people a sense of peace. ;)

I believe the situation RE: Yuna leaving town had more to do with ice time than with peace and quiet. She moved to Toronto during the 2006-2007 season, just as she was transitioning to the senior level.
It could have been both. But yeah, the quality of the ice rinks in S. Korea were said to be abysmal.

I would definitely put Michelle and Tara in the "lived up to their hype" category, although Tara's career was disappointingly, too short.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

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Just joined the Forums, from the ISU forums, hi all. :)

As far as Osmond's hype, people say she is being overhyped but this is due to her being consistent in her performances and results. Canadians was blatant inflation, but regardless she would have won. However Nebelhorn (where she beat Sotnikova, currently leading at Europeans) and Skate Canada (where she beat the world bronze medalist in Suzuki, after Suzuki had a poor SP) show that she's able to deliver in high pressure situations against top skater. This is not something that is typical of Canadian ladies skaters. People are touting her as the next Joannie because in such a short period of time, she has been able to develop strong jumps, a consistent 3-3 combination, and shows attack and vivaciousness in her skating.

As far as her technical merit being deserving, that is TES determined by how she executes jumps which is verified by technical specialists - the GOE on her jumps is often deserved, too.... She doesn't telegraph her jumps, puts transitions into them, and gets good spring and flow on the exit. Her coach, Ravi Walia, is a technical specialist and thus ensures that she's performing elements cleanly, except her flutz and an occasional lip. Her jumps are fully rotated, sometimes even over-rotated. Her spins could use improvement, but she's still obtaining good levels on them. Regardless of whether it was Nationals, Challenge, Skate Canada, she has put together three clean short programs (almost 4 at Nebelhorn), which no skater has done this season.

You can't deny that she's skating far better than anyone could have expected. Until she starts doing really poorly, I don't think anyone's at liberty of saying she's overhyped when she's actually matching the hype that she's getting.
 
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pangtongfan

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Savchenko & Szolkowy
Tara Lipinski
Bobrova & Soloviev
Patrick Chan
Katarina Witt
Nancy Kerrigan (even though I think she was robbed of the 94 Olympic Gold, most of her career she was overscored, overhyped, and overrated)
Oksana Bauil
Shen & Zhao
Zhang & Zhang (from 2005-fall of 2008, while being underscored and underrated from winter 2009-retirement and fall 2004 to earlier, a wierd combination)
Johnny Weir (not overscored, just overhyped by skating fans and journalists)
Fusar-Poli & Margalio
Lobacheva & Averbuhk
Woetzel & Steuer
Michelle Kwan (she is amazing, but not the god she was and is still potrayed as)
Miki Ando
 

kwanatic

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Proclaiming someone will be the best thing to happen ice skating since the zamboni does nothing but attract negative attention the skater. So far Kaetlyn has done well...she's had a number of strong skates and achieved good results. Let her be happy with those victories and wish her well in her remaining competitions.

If what's going on with Gracie Gold has told us anything it's that over-hyping someone usually ends badly. Not only is it generating extra pressure for the skater to perform, but over-saturating the boards with how wonderful someone is and how badly they'll kick everyone's @$$ and how no one can compare to them generates some ill-will toward the skater from other fans.

I was sick of Gracie long before she debuted at SC thanks to all the send Gracie to worlds/Gracie's the best/Gracie is God crap that happened around nationals last year. People were hailing her as the second coming and she wasn't even a senior yet. Fans get too excited...

Please don't do the same thing to Kaetlyn. I really like Kaetlyn right now and I enjoy her skating; but the ceaseless promotion and comparisons in every single thread by some of Kaetlyn's more enthusiastic/overzealous fans is starting to touch a nerve with people. You think you're helping but what you're really doing is annoying the hell out of everyone and making them resent her...
 

Dragonlady

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*Ahem* as a totally biased YuNa fan, I must disagree! Overhyped, psshhh, nahh! She was hyped alright, but she sure lived (lives!) up to it. ;) 150-point Olympic FS, anyone??? muahahahahaha

Oh, and she's back in Korea, while she's still competing. For peace and non-quiet.

All of the skaters I mentioned lived up to the hype, those who have retired at least. Sasha Cohen may take the record for the most-hyped skater in history and she never achieved anything close to what was predicted for her. Over hyped skaters aren't necessarily bad skaters, it's just I think it unwise to brag on stuff you haven't done yet, which Sasha was really big on doing: I'm going to land the first quad, win the Olympic Gold Medal and retire, like Tara. I'd rather a skater do a thing, and then brag on it, like Kurt landing the first quad. The sad thing is that the only titles Sasha achieved is one US Championship and one GPF Championship when Irina's mother.
 

Mrs. P

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Proclaiming someone will be the best thing to happen ice skating since the zamboni does nothing but attract negative attention the skater. So far Kaetlyn has done well...she's had a number of strong skates and achieved good results. Let her be happy with those victories and wish her well in her remaining competitions.

If what's going on with Gracie Gold has told us anything it's that over-hyping someone usually ends badly. Not only is it generating extra pressure for the skater to perform, but over-saturating the boards with how wonderful someone is and how badly they'll kick everyone's @$$ and how no one can compare to them generates some ill-will toward the skater from other fans.

I was sick of Gracie long before she debuted at SC thanks to all the send Gracie to worlds/Gracie's the best/Gracie is God crap that happened around nationals last year. People were hailing her as the second coming and she wasn't even a senior yet. Fans get too excited...

Please don't do the same thing to Kaetlyn. I really like Kaetlyn right now and I enjoy her skating; but the ceaseless promotion and comparisons in every single thread by some of Kaetlyn's more enthusiastic/overzealous fans is starting to touch a nerve with people. You think you're helping but what you're really doing is annoying the hell out of everyone and making them resent her...

+1 I agree. I won't lie and say that I really had to work hard and remind myself to base my opinion on what I see from her skating as opposed to getting influenced by one way or the other by the chatter itself.
 

Tonichelle

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I'd rather a skater do a thing, and then brag on it, like Kurt landing the first quad.

According to his (long outdated) autobiography (and documentary Jump) Kurt WAS getting flack for mentioning that he was going to do the quad long before he finally landed it. He was very lucky to have the one he did ratified, and he didn't do very many in his career. One of his better ones was in SOI 10 years after getting into the Book of World records.
 

kwanatic

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Yu-Na was extremely hyped...twice as much as Kaetlyn or Gracie at this point. The good thing was Yu-Na actually backed it up. It's not hype if the skater delivers. Yu-Na was hyped to win worlds in 2009; she did. She was hyped to win everything in 2010 including an OGM; she did. Her return is being hyped to high hell too BUT if she has a successful competition at worlds, again, it won't be hype if it's a fact.

The problem with hyping skaters is that so few actually deliver on all of the promises the hype generates. According to over eager Gracie fans' proclamations about her talent last year, Gracie should have wiped the floor with everyone at her GP events, won the Final and should be sitting well ahead of the field at nationals right now...that was the hype. Reality: she's finished 7th, 2nd, no trip to the Final, and basically imploded in the SP yesterday. She has a chance to redeem herself tomorrow but the damage has already been done. When you don't deliver on the hype, it's 10x worse and people will tear you apart.

That's why I want people to chill out a bit with Kaetlyn b/c if she does make a mistake or doesn't do well everyone who's sick of her/doesn't like her will use that failure as ammunition...
 
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