I do hope the networks show slo-mo URs more. However, I also hope fans are not duped by the incredibly stupid idea that says, "even though two skaters may appear by you to have similar artistic quality and similar programs, but one had several falls and the other skated cleanly, the falls aren't really a big deal, we as judges 'know better', so just deal with it." That would allow judges to use things that are often borderline like URs or things are that are subjective like the PCS to justify biased decisions. The audience is not always right, but most of the time it is right. Figure skating has always had a large performance/artistry side to it, and if the audience liked it, that's pretty good evidence that the performance and artistry were good.
didn't see skaters on tv. waiting for video but going by results scores,
the scores for mirai are too high regarding pc wise, zhang are too long.
if gracie skated as well (i want to see it) than maybe okay. with the mess ashley had her score is too high 2 fall and 121 total 188 with gpf 2 falls and only a 181. too high. see a 183 not a 188.
should be tougher on the u.s skaters, the public is. the pressure is.
i wonder if they will skate for it for the 3 just skate.
gracie can be the it girl-but she will have to skate like she did at nationals to have a shot at the 4cc title,medaling and beating out mao, akiko, kaetlyn, kanako.
she will have to be consistent.
not poor mirai her 109 is to low. zhang should been a 115. not a 111.
the u.s. read between the lines pick who they want on podium and adjust the scores so they fit.
going into year it was ashley, gracie, surprise they got up there.
why bother watching , having nationals just tell the public that you will put who you want on podium and why they are there instead of having competition.
earn the title, we didn't pick the right one. please still states figure skating is rigged now more than ever. they want you up on top they will put you up on top and adjust the scores/ pcs wise accordingly.
Treating your customers like they have a brain seems to work in some industries, but not this one. Apparently some of the audience still doesn't get it. Protocols are available, the SP is available to view. And yet people still complain that the scoring is wrong. That's because they don't even bother to look at it.
They just see "fall in LP" equals "lose". There's more to it than that. If you want the kind of sport where there isn't more to it, then make it a jumping contest (no SP, no footwork, no music, no halfway bonus) where the falls count 10 times more than a UR. That seems to be what the public demands, right?
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That change has to come from the ISU and not the USFSA. The USFSA has a duty to send athletes to Worlds who can flourish under the rules that the ISU has put forth. A program with multiple URs is going to get slammed by an international judging panel. Should the US ignore these flaws, reward this program, and send this skater off to Worlds just because it is what the audience wants?
I am proud of the US ladies and enjoyed the competition, however, not agree with the result. USFS has again used the international result to push Ashley for Gold medal. I was glad that it did not happen with the men's. I was holding my breath for Max Aaron and Ross Miner, was afraid that they would give Gold medal to Abbott. Luckily, there was justice.
I agree that Gold should have won, but to be fair, Gold had a disastrous short program with a fall and a single axel putting her 13 points behind. Wagner had a bad free with two falls and a two-foot and no 2A-3T. Had Gold landed her double axel in her SP, she would have won. So I'm not too outraged by the result.
For people who don't think Ashley is insanely overscored, take a look at Yuna at 2009 Skate America
She had 3 clean triples, 3 clean 2As, and guess what, she got 111.7 for that performance. And back then, GOE actually got you a lot more points.
Wagner got 10 points more than freaking Yuna Kim and some people pretend to understand the score is appropriate? Seriously?
My problem is that I am cursed with a long memory. In the 1940s (OK, I can't remember quite that far back , Sonia Henie was one of the highest paid actresses in Hollywood. She couldn't act worth a lick, but she was a champion figure skater! When she died she left an estate of $50,000,000 ($475 million dollars in today's money, adjusted for inflation). Well. maybe Yu-na Kim will fare as well before she is through.
In in the 1970s Janet Lynn, the 1972 Olympic and Worlds bronze medalist, was the highest paid female athlete in the world (all sports), with a 1.5 million dollar contract with Ice Follies (7.5 million in today's dollars.) Later in the decade every little girl in America wanted a Dorothy Hamill haircut and a Dorothy Hamill doll.
In the 1990s the Champions on Ice tour had up to 80 stops. Today, zero.
When Ottavio Cinquanta took office in in 1994 he negotiated a $20,000,000 contract for U.S. television rights and raised enough money that, for the first time in history, the ISU could actually pay prize money to skaters at major events. Now, basically zip from U.S. television.
In 2002, under pressure from the IOC, Cinquanta rushed the CoP into service. By a questionable interpretation of the ISU Constitution, he decreed that the CoP proposal would be voted on by both the figure skating delegates to the ISU Congress and the speed skating delegates (Cinquanta was a speed skater himself). Even though the rules changes affected only figure skating, Cinquanta knew that the figure skating acting alone side would not vote for it. Cinquanta's rationale was that the money generated by figure skating also pays the speed skating bills, so speed skaters ought to have a say in it. (A little irony there, considering how it all turned out. )
So now we tell prospective audiences and sponsors, if you don't like our Kool-aid read more protocols.
My sorrow is that figure skating, in the U.S. at least, has become an irrelevancy on the sports and entertainment scene. This is not the fault of the scoring system (it's not anybody's fault, IMHO -- society's tastes in entertainment changes over the years). But I do think that the scoring system is a hindrance to future growth in popularity.
The way it is now, almost the entire burden of support for figure skating (it is an expensive sport!) is born by beleaguered parents and local skating clubs. I wish USFS could have inherited some of Henie' $475 million to defray some of the present costs.
Having watched the programs for a second time, I still would have Gold above Wagner. Nagasu's FS was worse than I originally thought. Feel bad for her, but it is what it is. Hicks was as difficult to watch the second time as she was the first time.
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The point is this, even Yuna Kim's PCS took a big hit when she was a mess. Wagner's PCS actually improved by 3 points. What's the point? That's the point.
Sorry to break it to you, but if you are overscored by 5 points, and someone else is overscored by 10 points, that will make a difference. Do you understand that? Should I break it down further?