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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Meh, it wasn't an overdramatic feat like it was for the other teams who made it (or didn't) to 5.
    They are amazing BUT not even close to their score. Though it might be a psycho battle with Virtue and Moir who sruggled with levels. I have to say I find D and W amazing skaters and great performances but not special and they sitll can't seem to really stretch themselves. great dancing, smae kind of "look" on ice just to a different tune. I think they will win WGM though this year with all the problems V and M are having. AS for the Shibs, I wouldn't count them out but I do think the Russians, French and Italians ahve passed them and Russia no. 3 I this about to pass them as well.

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    Mmm. While I wasn't overly excited about their win - it was a given outcome - and I'm not thrilled by their FD... it's different than last year's FD (which is one of my top five favorite FDs of all time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Mmm. While I wasn't overly excited about their win - it was a given outcome - and I'm not thrilled by their FD... it's different than last year's FD (which is one of my top five favorite FDs of all time).
    Fledermaus is one of my top five also. It had a magic and a lyrical airiness that this year's heavy dramatic program will never achieve. But some of the lifts are amazing, and I'm glad to see D/W stretch in other directions. Between them and V/M, it's such an exciting time to be North American skating fans.

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    I don't understand how people ignored the quality of the skating and focused on the inflated scores at the Nationals. The Shibs are superb in the quality of skating, the quiet blades is incomparable to the loud scratching blades from H/D or poor technique of Chock who hardly used her lower part of body when skated. The Shibs disadvantage is the lack of versatility, they need a better program and perhaps new coach. Among the top 5 US females, Chock prob. the worst in technique and skill, however, she is the best in theatrical aspect. Igor was superb in hiding his student's weakness and show off her strength. I won't write off any of the top 5 based on only this Nationals result. Except D/W, the other four teams are quite comparable, each have their weakness and strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    I don't see it as dumping the Shibs but more about hyping up C/B. They need to build momentum for a potentially strong new team that's definitely getting the spot for Sochi. I just think it's not going to matter. If we are talking about Sochi, the podium is pretty much set. Everyone but the top 3 are just playing for rep points. Shibs should be happy to get something like 8th in Sochi.
    Re "just playing for rep points":
    Esp. for those who aspire to become first-time Olympians in Sochi, their placement would not be the only source of gratification at the Games.
    I imagine that the Shibutanis, Weaver/Poje, and others are motivated too by the off-ice opportunities to represent their respective countries in the Opening and Closing Ceremonies; to meet athletes from other sports; etc.

    [Do not want to count the chickens before they hatch: the Shibutanis have yet to qualify for the Olympic team. But if they do (fingers crossed) ... as soon as Sochi ice dance has concluded, no doubt that they will make the most of the entire Olympic experience. The result (I hope): The Best #ShibSibs Video Ever. ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    The result (I hope): The Best #ShibSibs Video Ever. ]
    That's the main thing!

    Plus, having now had practice with gymnasts, at Sochi they can work in some Alpine skiers and tobogganers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    That's the main thing!

    Plus, having now had practice with gymnasts, at Sochi they can work in some Alpine skiers and tobogganers!
    Definitely.
    And let's not forget athletes from snowboarding, hockey, speedskating, luge/skeleton, etc., etc. Epic possibilities.

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    I recall that Charlie White, a huge hockey fan, was in awe of all the hockey stars at the 2010 Olympics. Perhaps the Shibs are also hockey fans.

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    At the very least, @AlexShibutani's tweets have clearly indicated that he is an avid fan of the Bruins.

    I really do not want to jinx the Shibutanis by taking anything for granted.
    But as they continue to raise the bar higher and higher for their videos, I do believe they will seize any opportunities to include athletes from as many sports and as many countries as possible.
    Heck, even if (heaven forfend) they are not competing in Sochi for whatever reason, the USOC should obtain credentials for them as part of its official media team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    They are amazing BUT not even close to their score. Though it might be a psycho battle with Virtue and Moir who sruggled with levels. I have to say I find D and W amazing skaters and great performances but not special and they sitll can't seem to really stretch themselves. great dancing, smae kind of "look" on ice just to a different tune. I think they will win WGM though this year with all the problems V and M are having. AS for the Shibs, I wouldn't count them out but I do think the Russians, French and Italians ahve passed them and Russia no. 3 I this about to pass them as well.
    IA. D/W were sensational. They are so talented & that's why the ice dance field is so deep in the US. While I admire their incredible technical precision, their programs all seem similar & don't resonate with me. Last year at this time V and M were still tweaking their program & having problems so I wouldn't count them out. Their seem to rise to their best at big competitions. The Shibs - quite lovely - but I disagree that people are "hating" on them. I just see interesting discussions about their options. They could rise again -- and then maybe not. That's sport ...

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    I found the US pairs a bit disappointing but alot of wonderful dance couples. I have to agree i thought the Shibs would place 2nd, they are so smooth and have such quality. Also thought Hubbell/Donohue would have placed ahead of Chock/Bates in the Freedance but cannot compare the short dance as didn't see them. D/W were wonderful but overscored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figuristka View Post
    I found the US pairs a bit disappointing but alot of wonderful dance couples. I have to agree i thought the Shibs would place 2nd, they are so smooth and have such quality. Also thought Hubbell/Donohue would have placed ahead of Chock/Bates in the Freedance but cannot compare the short dance as didn't see them. D/W were wonderful but overscored.
    Fair assessment but that's fgiure skating.

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    I finally got to watch the free dance last night. Meryl & Charlie were wonderful as usual. Their free dance this season is like the perfect synthesis of emotion & athleticism in dance. It's even more athletic and technically impressive than last year's FD, and still wonderfully passionate and rather thrilling to watch. I really hope they will reclaim the gold at Worlds this year. I think the key for them is what Tracy Wilson mentioned--finding and amplifying those softer, more tender moments in the music. Meryl & Charlie always dazzle with their technical brilliance, but adding that layer of intimacy could put them over the top (I hope).

    As to the other teams . . . Aside from Meryl & Charlie, my favorites were Madison Hubbell & Zach Donohue. I just love their flamenco program. It has such drama, such intensity. I thought they skated it really, really well; definitely their best performance so far this season. I'm sad they didn't make the podium and the World team. Reviewing the protocols, it appears they lost GOE points on the lifts versus C/B and S/S. Also both step sequences were Level 3, while the other two teams each got Level 4 for one sequence. I will assume the tech specialists/judges got this right. However, I feel they could have been rewarded more highly in PCS, esp. in the P, C, and I marks. Also in T. I think the choreography of the program is gorgeous, and there are a ton of transitions and very few crossovers. I just find them immensely enjoyable to watch. I hope they won't be too discouraged by this setback.

    Lynn & Logan were pleasant to watch. But the Adele program is just too typical and too lightweight, especially judged against their close competitors' programs. To break through, they need to be much more innovative & daring, IMO.

    The Shibutanis definitely performed the Geisha free dance very well. As with H/D, it was easily their best performance of the season. However, ultimately I find this FD just boring and uninspiring. It's all very lovely, but it doesn't go beyond that. It doesn't say anything. I have been always been such a fan of Maia & Alex, but I feel like they need to make some pretty big changes. Something isn't working. The programs this season aren't good, they haven't really been skating well, and they're losing so much ground in placements/reputation. I don't know what is wrong. Obviously they need better programs, but I think it's more than that. The difficulty in finding programs that work for them is perhaps pointing to some more fundamental issue. I have to admit, in the past I never thought their sibling relationship was a problem. But now I'm beginning to wonder a bit. Either way, I feel sad, because I do like them a lot, and they're so talented.

    The placement I can't understand is Chock & Bates. Yes, they scored well on the lifts and step sequences, and I'll assume that is correct. But to me, the basic skating and choreography of this program was not that impressive, and I'm just very surprised they won the silver. I felt like there were a lot of crossovers and two-foot skating in the program. Artistically it was okay, but nothing outstanding, and it just didn't seem as difficult or challenging as H/D's flamenco routine, for example. To me, C/B lacked both the smoothness of the Shibs and Lynn/Logan and the interest and passion of H/D. I'm really not too happy about them winning silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    I felt like there were a lot of crossovers and two-foot skating in the program. Artistically it was okay, but nothing outstanding, and it just didn't seem as difficult or challenging as H/D's flamenco routine, for example. To me, C/B lacked both the smoothness of the Shibs and Lynn/Logan and the interest and passion of H/D. I'm really not too happy about them winning silver.
    Very much agree. Of course on TV it's hard to tell speed and projection, etc., but I was surprised to see a free dance with such a large proportion of crossovers and two-foot stroking win silver in a competition of this caliber. The content of this dance is mediocre in various aspects.

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    I think the usfsa wanted Igor to have a team as close to the top as possible.

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