For those who claim Asada's program is filled with transitions. I'd really like a breakdown, for I really can't see how her program is so much more difficult than Kostner's, or anyone else's program. IIRC, she has a couple of moves in fields here and there, but are they linked to any difficult element? Or are they precedded and followed by a bunch of stroking?
Last edited by shine; 01-30-2013 at 07:10 PM.
I'd be willing to debate as I tend to agree. The one advantage that Carolina has (and Mao, for that matter) is that the end of the program is so awesome that it leaves the judges inclined to improve their PCS.I think the most infuriating this is that Carolina has done better programs with wayyy better choreography than Bolero and with more speed and yet she's being rewarded with higher points.
No, it's not. An automatic -3 is given in the short program if the solo triple doesn't come out of steps OR if the combo doesn't adhere to rules (A quad or a triple with a triple or double attached. 2-3's okay, 3-1's not). Taking away three GOE levels must happen if a fall occurs and the final GOE must be negative, but if you decide that the combo had enough good qualities to be a plus one, than -2 is legitimate.You only need to look to her SP for blatant judging errors -- 4 out of 9 judges gave her -2 on the 3-3 combination that had a fall -- which is an automatic -3 in the SP.
Okay, lets make the reverse comment that you're saying.That she wins with 4 triples is frankly a joke. And people's attitudes here (she should get at least xx points higher than so-and-so, even if she does badly) are the exact reason people vilify figure skating and its judges (who have the same notion that because she's a veteran she's automatically given an advantage). Think about what you say when you say she should be given a 15-point advantage... you're saying even if Kostner leaves out her 3Z, 3F, and a 3S, she should still get enough PCS to make up for that.
Skater B leaves out transitions, complex choreography and has no feeling for the music. Should that affect her TES? Of course not. If she lands a gorgeous triple, we should still call it a triple and give her good GOE, right? If you believe that's fair, then you have to state equally that a program with all these things should be marked high in the PCS regardless of the element difficulty.
Last edited by ImaginaryPogue; 01-30-2013 at 08:25 PM.
What Mao has between her jumps is not of a very high difficulty but at least there is something and its quality is first rate. She does steps and turns all the time and other "little transitions" like short spread eagle, short ina bauer, brief spiral etc and it is certainly more demanding than just doing crossovers like Carolina or Akiko. What's more, I would take her moves in the field perfectly matching the music and its theme any day over posing that Carolina does.
Having said that, I must say I like Carolina's Bolero a lot but I acknowladge higher difficulty of Mao's program.
Last edited by Bartek; 01-30-2013 at 07:44 PM.