01-26-2013, 07:54 PM
Congratulations to Caro, Adelina and Liza, very nice podium indeed!
01-26-2013, 07:57 PM
Sotnikova singled a flip and did Flutz and her pcs was 63 to kostners 70.Do you really have to give a title to a double salchow skater to say work harder on pcs? That is saying the point of he sport is pcs and jumps can be double salchows.
Originally Posted by bekalc
Last edited by gmyers; 01-26-2013 at 07:59 PM.
01-26-2013, 08:24 PM
I'm not only thrilled to see this podium but some of the other skaters did exceptionally well too. I can't wait to see them in the future.
01-26-2013, 08:34 PM
Congratualtions to 3 medal winners, especially to Liza! Very well done, Liza, your FS scores make me so excited. Just keep it up! Oh, I'm so happy for you!!!
01-26-2013, 09:03 PM
The results are far far from surprising to me. Though I would have had Adeline first, Carolina secnod barely holding off Liza because of the free skate. I would say either Kostner is overmarked on pcs or Liza and Adeline were undermarked in pcs. This is just an opinion but this is similar to Fernadez and the Japanese men other than Takahashi and maybe Hanyu they should be a full level below Takahashi and chan but we rarely see scores that different yet the judges see something different with Carolina
01-27-2013, 12:34 AM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Tuktamysheva is the European Champion for me. Her program is wonderful and I can't believe more people don't see it. So well paced and attentive to the music throughout. And those jumps! Twice this year she has skated a clean 7-Triple program with one of the most difficult combinations out there and the quality of them all was first-rate (even the Flip was pretty commendable despite not having perfect flow-out...good height and ice coverage and a very correct edge).
I'd have Kostner in second because she had the best flow across the ice and hit the most important jumps; the ones she doubled actually didn't bother me too much. Her little step-out of the last jump actually just slid into the ending right on time with the music, haha!
Sotnikova's program is a front-loaded piece of crap. A fine performance but she loses too many points with that program and popping the Flip. 3rd place.
01-27-2013, 04:05 AM
leave no stone unturned
Originally Posted by bekalc
I dont disagree with anything concidering the pcs but Liza dark eyes program is not skated in circles around the center of the rink, she was skating the whole rink and was fast. She looked tentative in the first 3 jumping passes though. She is smaller than the rest of skaters and maybe this hurts her presence on ice but yesterday she really filled the arena with energy. Adelina is taller and she skates bigger, my only problem was she looked in the zone until her last sequence.
Regarding worlds, I dont know if they would send Giovanni, she is lovely and has personality on ice but her jumps are scratchy and they look small. To me she looked juniorish.
01-27-2013, 05:51 AM
just watched the tukt. her jumps where hughe and perfect (ecxept for flip). This 2A3T should have received +3 from all the judges. she was also performing and outgoing epecially at the end. BUT nevertheless I did not like the program, the coreo and the music at all. I just did not get it. her PCS in 7 and 8 are defenitely right. She needs something different and something not so mishin like. she is a beautiful little ladie and needs to show this in her programs. perhaps something more soft and lyrical? I don´t know. we well she what they come up with next year.
01-27-2013, 06:02 AM
have to agree totally. and this is very unusual for coster. but still without doing transitions the programm worked out. i don´t know how she is doing it. she is just having such a presents on the ice no other lady had.
Originally Posted by gioccia
01-27-2013, 06:36 AM
I think it's just that she is tall and thin. Like a model.
Originally Posted by euroskate
01-27-2013, 07:30 AM
Fab height and length on her jumps, but she isn't an elegant skater. And what kind of horror fashion statement are those half covered boots in her SP?
01-27-2013, 08:09 AM
Go Elizaveta! She had the best overall FS for me. I think the program is beautiful, not to mention the fantastic jumps.
01-27-2013, 09:41 AM
01-27-2013, 10:22 AM
If you are really a fan of skaters using original music, why would you uphold a skater using the oft-employed Adios Nonino over one who uses some original choices in her SP. Honestly, the number of junior and second-tier girls using Adios Nonino is huge. No originality there. Plus, Elizaveta basically skates two tangos this season, her LP and SP are honestly almost the same. She can't even show originality form herself. Lame. I give props for originality to Adelina but it's not like she did anything good with it - that program has been described as "puke inducing". Actually now that I think of it, this fight between Caro and Russians has happened before, remember when the Moscow audience god all mad when Alena Leonova lost to Carolina for the bronze at Worlds 2011? Hahaha as if that piece-of-poo program belonged anywhere near a podium.
Originally Posted by let`s talk
The problem is, people can find anything to justify why their personal favourite was/wasn't given the title, and why that's good/bad. I honestly enjoyed Carron and Jones in the ice dancing more than any of the other teams in the second group and was a little peeved when they didn't make it into the top 5 over some schlocky programs that did, but that's skating, it's an honest combination of sport and art and if you neglect one aspect too much you pay for it. People are bleeting here because Caro doubled two salchows, but honestly she still landed her lutz and flip, so I think she did a good job on the technical aspect. The Russian girls did even better on the tech side but they were so MANY MANY MILES behind Caro in artistry that they could never have come close to narrowing the gap that much. Anyone who thinks Tut skated like a champion here is lying, delusional or straight-up stupid. I am sorry your favourite didn't win but TOO BAD.
One thing I cannot stand, however, is the nasty insinuations that this is all skating politics and that Carolina's win is somehow the result of backroom dealings. Just how strong do you think the Italian fed is? Do you seriously think ANYONE could beat Russia in backroom dealings? They've been accused of it time and time and time again. Stop that nonsense now.
01-27-2013, 10:28 AM
the Golden Era
I disagree, Tuk's LP she skated like champion
Originally Posted by berrycute
Carolina has always benefited from her huge pcs boost so she can water down her technical content, only Yuna can outscore her maybe Mao