Carolina Kostner: 33.36 (short) + 60.24 (long) = 93.60
Elizaveta Tuktamisheva: 29.47 (short) + 70.02 (long) = 99.49
Adelina Sotnikova: 37.25 (short) + 62.39 (long) = 99.64
So, the question is - over these two programs, should Kostner's PCS be approximately eight points higher than Sotnikova and Tuktamisheva? This amounts to 0.75 higher per component (approximately). I believe the answer is yes, and could make an argument that in some aspects, it could be even higher.
I don't remember the second salchow but she has very clearly slipped on the take-off edge of the second one.
As far as PCS go, Kostner should be - and was - way, way in front of Tuk and Sot.
Why do you think that needs to be posted so many times in a row. I know that - it's blindingly obvious that for Mao and carolina they really don't need jumps at all. With their step and spin goe and pcs they can do mostly doubles or underrotated triples and even though there is more to skating than jumps do jumps have to be so irrelevent for them that Mao can do 4 triples over a sp and lp and Carolina can do 2 double salchows. Planned not planned whatever she almost won the fs with 2 double salchows anyway.
She almost won the fs with 2 double salchows? So those salchows are the only thing you are focusing on? What about all the other things she did in her fs which were of exceptional quality?
But whatever, I am not even going to try to explain anything to you because other posters have already done that well and you seem to not even to respond to their posts/arguments because all you focus on is 2 double salchows
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I am aware of all the arguments in favor of kostners win and people saying her win was too narrow and infac should have been a gigantic landslide basically unpaparalled in cop history. I am saying she does spins and steps well and did flip and lutz. That is what she did in tech and her pcs is good but her winning while basically doing easy -beyond easy - jumps for two jumping passes ruins all her pluses. Her skate at the end was so terrible. But she had racked up enough points already. Just like Mao did in the gp events and kostner did last year at worlds.
I was in the arena and Kostner was in a league of her own. The bolero might be slow and repetitive but her choreography creates some ambiance and is working realy well. Great costume too. She has insane edges and flow out and she sells every single jump. She skated in whole different level than the russian girls who had spunk and energy but skate like 16 year olds which is normal and rush into things. She looks the people and judges in the eyes, thats a sign of great experience. Especially in the first I think jumping pass that her landing was iffy she stretched and looked directly at us. I think she counted on her maturity and artistry and it worked. I also think since last year she goes one by one element, not rushing at all and it helps her having clean skates. Her jumps dont have a big height but cover lots of distance, and you can see her insane edges in the landings, I thought anyone else would have fallen. Even in her last sequence there is something not frantic about it even if the audience when crazy at the beginning when she stops and poses.
I liked Adelina better in sp than lp, I thought it had more choreo, but she was really good in her lp after the popped jump I thought she would melt down. Her jumps are big, she has very good stretch, great spins and the after the jumps were over she sold it. I liked her costume considering what her program was but the vocals were annoying.
Liza in the sp looked very anxious but even after the mistake she sold it, it is a program she has skated a lot. I still dont know why the ditched the other sp. But in the Lp she was a little fireball, her 2a-3t was the best, her lutz combo is better than most men and she had so much energy, she doesnt have the long lines of Adelina but for me she had more character in the program and she got a standing ovation like Carolina. It was an amazing performance. Marchei had a great sp but her lp costume and music plus the heavy make up were distacting for me, I didnt like it at all. Helgerson sisters, I always like Victoria, Joshi is too tall and akward. For the Giovani I had written before, Urmanov at the boards was the best thing! I saw all the ladies but I cant remember now more, I wanted so much Elena G to medal, Orser looked very disappointed in the sp.
The skater who have transitions this season are Ashley Wagner and Mao Asada followed by Yu-Na Kim. Haven't watched Osmond yet so I can't tell. Liza, Carolina, Adelina and Akiko have much fewer transitions.
And it isn't true that the outing at euros proves that she is again an inconsistent skater! I would say that it proves the opposite. She was nervous as she said but in the short she sidn't give up after the fall and skated a great program and in the long she landed beautiful jumps including a lutz (if she were the carolina of the past she wouldn't have landed it in any way) and she skated the program of her life before having the salchows when she was really tired and couldn't do them...