All I can say, is I'm happy that each of them had key moments at their respective Nationals/Europeans and I'm excited to see all four at Worlds and how they will stack up against each other. And with that, I shall depart from this thread.
I think all 4 girls have their respective strengths and weaknesses. It remains to be seen how they develop from here. Fortunately, they will meet each other this year at Worlds, this is very exciting.
As for Adelina and Liza, I think they are going the right direction and handled the pressure well at Europeans, but Worlds will be a real test
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I think what actually matters here is the number of triples they perform, since they all can't rely on PCS. So a better question instead of "who will win if all skate clean" is who is the most likely to skate clean. And it's hard to say at this point but it's definitely not Sotnikova. Even though she's a well-rounded skater and has nice spins, costistency is her problem. On the other hand I find Liza to cope well with the pressure and stress. As somebody has said before, Kaetlyn does not have a hard triple-triple and her jump content is generally the weakest.
Everything will be clearer after 4cc. Winning a medal at Euros is definitely an advantage for Adelina and Elizaveta.
I think Gracie has the best chance. Money. American power. power, the right body type - graceful yet powerful. A good head on her shoulders. Musical and elegant. ET has problems with pcs. Osmond lacks content and big experience. Adelina is inconsistent (well so is ET).
Gracie still lacks refinement and some artistry. Going to another choreographer would do her a lot of good. Having said that if she does learn to become more mature on the ice she will be formidable.
I wouldn't say Gracie has no future, she has amazing jumps. But she has a lot of work to do on the PCS area, I think she's the worst performer of all these girls. (She seemed to tally disconnected from the performance at the Nationals skate). It does her a diservice for people to say differently....Amazing jumps though.
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But at Nebenhorn Adelina fell in the SP and still came out ahead of Kaetlyn. You might argue that Kaetlyns PCS weren't as high then as they would be now, but I doubt that difference would make up for the additional points Adelina would be getting if she was clean. At Russian nationals, Adelina was clean as far as the jumps go, put she had some problems with two of her spins, losing levels and +GOE there. She might still have lost to Liza, but definitly not by that much (meaning about 2.5 points here).Originally Posted by pangtongfan
Generally, I love all of those girls, all for completly different reasons. I'm very happy we have all 4 of them at worlds this year!
If you seperate this a little...(because I'm a little bored and in the mood for it)
Jumps: Liza > Gracie > Adelina > Kaetlyn
I think it's easy to see that Liza and Gracie are ahead in this regard. All these girls are capable of getting huge +GOE, but Liza has amazing technique and a clean Lutz + Flip. Gracie might have even more power and height, but she lips. I'd have Adelina over Kaetlyn simply because Kaetlyn doesn't have the Loop. The others are capable of 7-triple LP's. Adelina flutzes, but Kaetlyn has edge call issues herself.
Spins: Adelina > Gracie > Kaetlyn > Liza
The difference between Gracie and Kaetlyn isn't really that big, but I think Gracie's speed can be pretty insane. Liza really loses ground in this regard, and Adelina is fairly well ahead.
Steps: Adelina > Kaetlyn > Gracie = Liza
Probably the closest department. Adelina earnd Lv 4's at europeans, I think Keatlyn did too at Nebelhorn, not sure about her other competitions. Those two are a little ahead of Liza and Gracie here.
For the PCS: I think Adelina would win it on SS, TR should go to Kaetlyn and IN to Liza. Not too sure how I would rate PE if all are clean and really on. But I guess Gracie is going to be left behind a little for now. CH-wise, I'd say Kaetlyn for the SP and Liza for the FS. Overall that's going to be pretty close, but probably it would end up something like Kaetlyn = Adelina > Liza > Gracie. Or at least that's what I think should happen.
(For Gracie's PCS, it's just that she still is so unpolished and needs way better choreographys. But the potential is there. She's just been appearing on the scene last season, all she needs is time and experience. She very well may develop into a full-package skater.)
So overall, I think Gracie is lacking too much in the PCS department (for now!), and Kaetlyn doesn't have the same scoring potential as the other 3 have in the FS. So for now, I'd say Liza and Adelina are ahead here, with Adelina slightly beating Liza due to being a better overall skater, eventhough Liza is a better jumper.
Tuk sill has poor ice coverage. Plus i don't think Tuk is that great of a performer right now either. Osmond seems to be the best in terms of performance and really skating with a lot of personality.
She's a very good performer to my eyes. I don't really get why people say she's lacking in that regard.Originally Posted by Jammers
Dunno about Kaetlyn being better than the others. Liza is just as good as she is, I think. Adelina is a little stiff in competitions, but watching her Ex programms, the perfromance ability is easily there. Kaetlyn seems to have more fire (than Adelina, not seeing her better than Liza here again), but I'd argue that Adelina has better body lines and more elegance. Additionally, Kaetlyns programms are both very attack-y and spunky, not sure how versatile she is. I think both Liza and Adelina are.