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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    There is a TREMENDOUS difference between landing jumps/combinations in isolation and landing them within a program with transitions before and after.
    I believe everyone here is well aware of that.

    But thank you for the reminder, as always.

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    chuckm's typical negativity towards Osmond :LOL:



    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Kaetlyn earned level four at SC for her steps. Level four steps doesn't mean too much as it's only one element, though.
    You may have been thinking of Nebelhorn, where she earned level 4 footwork in her LP.
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    Apparently Ravi (not me) is a technical specialist (actually, the only one in Canada I hear). I'm sure he will have Kaetlyn ready as per their master plan schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatEll View Post
    You may have been thinking of Nebelhorn, where she earned level 4 footwork in her LP.
    Osmond got +1 GOE from all the judges except one +2, which presumably came from Sally Rehorick (CAN).

    Sotnikova got L3 footwork but got one +3, four +2 and all the rest +1.
    Osmond had only one L4 spin and two L3 spins for a total of 10.11. Sotnikova had two L4s and one L3 for a total of 11.10.

    Anyway, that was September and this is January. Sotnikova scored 168.73 at Nebelhorn and 193.99 at Euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine
    There are reports of her landing 3t/3t, 3f/3t, and 3lz/3t with good consistency in practices, and her 3l seems to be almost ready. The plan of her team this year seems to be to let her stick to her current jump content and aiming at making top 10 at Worlds (which wouldn't require adding the 3/3s). They mentioned at Nationals that they plan on adding the new jumps next year.
    Sounds good, especially about the 3Lo. And she still has a lot of time to get them from practice to "competition-ready".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatEll View Post
    chuckm's typical negativity towards [del]Osmond[/del] Canadian skaters in general :LOL:


    Oops, codes don't work. But you get the idea.
    Last edited by shine; 01-28-2013 at 08:53 AM.

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    Chuckm's negativity is more toward the over-the-top hype than it is to the skater. I've been saying Osmond would defeat Lacoste at Nationals since last January. She is a good skater with a bright future. Leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Chuckm's negativity is more toward the over-the-top hype than it is to the skater. I've been saying Osmond would defeat Lacoste at Nationals since last January. She is a good skater with a bright future. Leave it at that.
    What I'm more interested to see is how Osmond fares against Asada, Suzuki (again), and Gold at 4CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Chuckm's negativity is more toward the over-the-top hype than it is to the skater. I've been saying Osmond would defeat Lacoste at Nationals since last January. She is a good skater with a bright future. Leave it at that.
    In reality, the hype was mostly created indirectly by the nay-sayers who greatly outnumbered the few over-the-top Osmond fans. There will always be the odd fan who is over-the-top for any given skater(s). But like feeding the trolls, arguing is what keeps the threads alive. Which in turn, indirectly generates the hype. It is best just to ignore these people. Your bashing of Osmond at every opportunity just invites additional debates from Osmond fans who feel obligated to defend her, which also generates additional hype. You are actually being self defeating. Not to mention, making yourself appear as a hater.

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    Why the critics of Canadian skaters can never be accepted with grace?

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    There is a difference between calm discussion and recognizable repetative bashing (thinly disguised as discussion), or in some cases sarcastic bashing. But alas, that seems to be lost on some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    What I'm more interested to see is how Osmond fares against Asada, Suzuki (again), and Gold at 4CC.
    This.

    Although, even 4CC can't determine how well skaters would compete against each other internationally. Euros indicated that Kostner is not a shoe-in for the World podium. And suggested that Adelina is a possible contender for the World podium. But that's just one competition. At competitions like NHK and Euros, Asada/Kostner committed several errors which would not give them a win at Worlds (frankly, it's appalling that such poor performances were given boosted PCS, guaranteeing a win).

    If this season has suggested anything it's that whoever gets it together at Worlds will win or be on the podium, because everyone's been having inconsistencies, and winners have relied on other skaters making errors and putative PCS boosts rather than winning hands-down.

    I wonder how people will react if Osmond or Gold wins or defeats Asada or Suzuki at 4CC. It will primarily depend on technical superiority, though. But it's not like this is a sport or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I wonder how people will react if Osmond or Gold wins or defeats Asada or Suzuki at 4CC.
    Ha Ha! Maybe I should find myself a non-skating board to frequent for a month or two (just in case) .

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    didn't watch the u.s nationals, if gracie skated as good as everyone states (fighted for it-but without pressure) kaetlyn will be among the top along with adelina, elizaveta, gracie, as the next young stars. along with other russian youngster.

    it is possible that both gracie and kaetlyn can defeat mao, but both have to be consistant in skating. in other words (both have to skate like they did at nationals)
    especially gracie. adelina, elizaveta kinda proved worth at euros both by coming in 1st in long & short/ skating well in competition outside of their own nationals.
    i am waiting for videos to come out to reserve final call on it.-not taking everyones word for it since fans and media are biased at who they want and push.
    read between lines in articles the u.s. picks who they want to win -=-not necessarilty who skates for it under the new scoring system.

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    1 67.95 Mao ASADA JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 23.11.2012
    2 67.61 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 25.01.2013
    3 66.44 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 07.12.2012
    4 65.00 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 07.12.2012
    5 64.19 Carolina KOSTNER ITA European Championships 2013 25.01.2013
    6 63.55 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 16.11.2012
    7 63.42 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 07.12.2012
    8 62.71 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012 14.09.2012
    9 62.16 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 09.11.2012
    10 61.18 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 23.11.2012
    11 60.80 Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 26.10.2012
    12 60.56 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 26.10.2012



    1 131.67 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    2 130.52 Carolina KOSTNER ITA European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    3 129.84 Mao ASADA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
    4 127.76 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012 21.10.2012
    5 126.62 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    6 126.38 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    7 120.15 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
    8 117.62 Christina GAO USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012 21.10.2012
    9 115.89 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 27.10.2012
    10 115.76 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
    11 115.64 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    12 115.50 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    13 114.49 Zijun LI CHN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    14 112.87 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012


    Results this season) Hm..Interesting))Looking forward to 4 Continents Will there be any changes?...

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